{"id":"dn4","title":"With Soṇadaṇḍa","languageCodes":["en","pi"],"languageNotes":{"en":"Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0","pi":"Mahāsaṅgīti edition · SuttaCentral"},"chapters":[{"id":"dn4","title":"With Soṇadaṇḍa","units":[{"id":"dn4:0","sourceIds":["dn4:0.1","dn4:0.2"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Dīgha Nikāya 4\nSoṇadaṇḍasutta","en":"Long Discourses 4\nWith Soṇadaṇḍa"}},{"id":"dn4:1","sourceIds":["dn4:1.0","dn4:1.1","dn4:1.2","dn4:1.3","dn4:1.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"1. Campeyyakabrāhmaṇagahapatikā\nEvaṁ me sutaṁ—\nekaṁ samayaṁ bhagavā aṅgesu cārikaṁ caramāno mahatā bhikkhusaṅghena saddhiṁ pañcamattehi bhikkhusatehi yena campā tadavasari.\nTatra sudaṁ bhagavā campāyaṁ viharati gaggarāya pokkharaṇiyā tīre.\nTena kho pana samayena soṇadaṇḍo brāhmaṇo campaṁ ajjhāvasati sattussadaṁ satiṇakaṭṭhodakaṁ sadhaññaṁ rājabhoggaṁ raññā māgadhena seniyena bimbisārena dinnaṁ rājadāyaṁ brahmadeyyaṁ.","en":"1. The Brahmins and Householders of Campā\nSo I have heard.\nAt one time the Buddha was wandering in the land of the Aṅgas together with a large Saṅgha of five hundred mendicants when he arrived at Campā,\nwhere he stayed by the banks of the Gaggarā Lotus Pond.\nNow at that time the brahmin Soṇadaṇḍa was living in Campā. It was a crown property given by King Seniya Bimbisāra of Magadha, teeming with living creatures, full of hay, wood, water, and grain, a royal park endowed to a brahmin."}},{"id":"dn4:2","sourceIds":["dn4:2.1","dn4:2.2","dn4:2.3","dn4:2.4","dn4:2.5","dn4:2.6","dn4:2.7","dn4:2.8"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Assosuṁ kho campeyyakā brāhmaṇagahapatikā:\n“samaṇo khalu bho gotamo sakyaputto sakyakulā pabbajito aṅgesu cārikaṁ caramāno mahatā bhikkhusaṅghena saddhiṁ pañcamattehi bhikkhusatehi campaṁ anuppatto campāyaṁ viharati gaggarāya pokkharaṇiyā tīre.\nTaṁ kho pana bhavantaṁ gotamaṁ evaṁ kalyāṇo kittisaddo abbhuggato:\n‘itipi so bhagavā arahaṁ sammāsambuddho vijjācaraṇasampanno sugato lokavidū anuttaro purisadammasārathi satthā devamanussānaṁ buddho bhagavā’.\nSo imaṁ lokaṁ sadevakaṁ samārakaṁ sabrahmakaṁ sassamaṇabrāhmaṇiṁ pajaṁ sadevamanussaṁ sayaṁ abhiññā sacchikatvā pavedeti.\nSo dhammaṁ deseti ādikalyāṇaṁ majjhekalyāṇaṁ pariyosānakalyāṇaṁ sātthaṁ sabyañjanaṁ kevalaparipuṇṇaṁ parisuddhaṁ brahmacariyaṁ pakāseti.\nSādhu kho pana tathārūpānaṁ arahataṁ dassanaṁ hotī”ti.\nAtha kho campeyyakā brāhmaṇagahapatikā campāya nikkhamitvā saṅghasaṅghī gaṇībhūtā yena gaggarā pokkharaṇī tenupasaṅkamanti.","en":"The brahmins and householders of Campā heard:\n“It seems the ascetic Gotama—a Sakyan, gone forth from a Sakyan family—has arrived at Campā and is staying on the banks of the Gaggarā Lotus Pond.\nHe has this good reputation:\n‘That Blessed One is perfected, a fully awakened Buddha, accomplished in knowledge and conduct, holy, knower of the world, supreme guide for those fit for training, teacher of gods and humans, awakened, blessed.’\nHe has realized with his own insight this world—with its gods, Māras, and divinities, this population with its ascetics and brahmins, gods and humans—and he makes it known to others.\nHe teaches Dhamma that’s good in the beginning, good in the middle, and good in the end, meaningful and well-phrased. And he reveals a spiritual practice that’s entirely full and pure.\nIt’s good to see such perfected ones.”\nThen, exiting Campā, they formed into companies and headed to the Gaggarā Lotus Pond."}},{"id":"dn4:3","sourceIds":["dn4:3.1","dn4:3.2","dn4:3.3","dn4:3.4","dn4:3.5","dn4:3.6","dn4:3.7","dn4:3.8","dn4:3.9","dn4:3.10","dn4:3.11","dn4:3.12","dn4:3.13","dn4:3.14"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Tena kho pana samayena soṇadaṇḍo brāhmaṇo uparipāsāde divāseyyaṁ upagato hoti.\nAddasā kho soṇadaṇḍo brāhmaṇo campeyyake brāhmaṇagahapatike campāya nikkhamitvā saṅghasaṅghī gaṇībhūte yena gaggarā pokkharaṇī tenupasaṅkamante.\nDisvā khattaṁ āmantesi:\n“kiṁ nu kho, bho khatte, campeyyakā brāhmaṇagahapatikā campāya nikkhamitvā saṅghasaṅghī gaṇībhūtā yena gaggarā pokkharaṇī tenupasaṅkamantī”ti?\n“Atthi kho, bho, samaṇo gotamo sakyaputto sakyakulā pabbajito aṅgesu cārikaṁ caramāno mahatā bhikkhusaṅghena saddhiṁ pañcamattehi bhikkhusatehi campaṁ anuppatto campāyaṁ viharati gaggarāya pokkharaṇiyā tīre.\nTaṁ kho pana bhavantaṁ gotamaṁ evaṁ kalyāṇo kittisaddo abbhuggato:\n‘itipi so bhagavā arahaṁ sammāsambuddho vijjācaraṇasampanno sugato lokavidū anuttaro purisadammasārathi satthā devamanussānaṁ buddho bhagavā’ti.\nTamete bhavantaṁ gotamaṁ dassanāya upasaṅkamantī”ti.\n“Tena hi, bho khatte, yena campeyyakā brāhmaṇagahapatikā tenupasaṅkama, upasaṅkamitvā campeyyake brāhmaṇagahapatike evaṁ vadehi:\n‘soṇadaṇḍo, bho, brāhmaṇo evamāha—\nāgamentu kira bhavanto, soṇadaṇḍopi brāhmaṇo samaṇaṁ gotamaṁ dassanāya upasaṅkamissatī’”ti.\n“Evaṁ, bho”ti kho so khattā soṇadaṇḍassa brāhmaṇassa paṭissutvā yena campeyyakā brāhmaṇagahapatikā tenupasaṅkami; upasaṅkamitvā campeyyake brāhmaṇagahapatike etadavoca:\n“soṇadaṇḍo bho brāhmaṇo evamāha:\n‘āgamentu kira bhavanto, soṇadaṇḍopi brāhmaṇo samaṇaṁ gotamaṁ dassanāya upasaṅkamissatī’”ti.","en":"Now at that time the brahmin Soṇadaṇḍa had retired to the upper floor of his stilt longhouse for his midday nap.\nHe saw the brahmins and householders heading for the lotus pond,\nand addressed his butler,\n“My butler, why are the brahmins and householders headed for the Gaggarā Lotus Pond?”\n“The ascetic Gotama has arrived at Campā and is staying on the banks of the Gaggarā Lotus Pond.\nHe has this good reputation:\n‘That Blessed One is perfected, a fully awakened Buddha, accomplished in knowledge and conduct, holy, knower of the world, supreme guide for those fit for training, teacher of gods and humans, awakened, blessed.’\nThey’re going to see that worthy Gotama.”\n“Well then, go to the brahmins and householders and say to them:\n‘Sirs, the brahmin Soṇadaṇḍa asks\nyou to wait, as he will also go to see the ascetic Gotama.’”\n“Yes, worthy sir,” replied the butler, and did as he was asked."}},{"id":"dn4:4","sourceIds":["dn4:4.0","dn4:4.1","dn4:4.2","dn4:4.3","dn4:4.4","dn4:4.5","dn4:4.6","dn4:4.7"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"2. Soṇadaṇḍaguṇakathā\nTena kho pana samayena nānāverajjakānaṁ brāhmaṇānaṁ pañcamattāni brāhmaṇasatāni campāyaṁ paṭivasanti kenacideva karaṇīyena.\nAssosuṁ kho te brāhmaṇā:\n“soṇadaṇḍo kira brāhmaṇo samaṇaṁ gotamaṁ dassanāya upasaṅkamissatī”ti.\nAtha kho te brāhmaṇā yena soṇadaṇḍo brāhmaṇo tenupasaṅkamiṁsu; upasaṅkamitvā soṇadaṇḍaṁ brāhmaṇaṁ etadavocuṁ:\n“saccaṁ kira bhavaṁ soṇadaṇḍo samaṇaṁ gotamaṁ dassanāya upasaṅkamissatī”ti?\n“Evaṁ kho me, bho, hoti:\n‘ahampi samaṇaṁ gotamaṁ dassanāya upasaṅkamissāmī’”ti.","en":"2. The Qualities of Soṇadaṇḍa\nNow at that time around five hundred brahmins from abroad were residing in Campā on some business.\nThey heard that\nthe brahmin Soṇadaṇḍa was going to see the ascetic Gotama.\nThey approached Soṇadaṇḍa and said to him,\n“Is it really true that you are going to see the ascetic Gotama?”\n“Yes, gentlemen, it is true.”"}},{"id":"dn4:5","sourceIds":["dn4:5.1","dn4:5.2","dn4:5.3","dn4:5.4","dn4:5.5","dn4:5.6","dn4:5.7","dn4:5.8","dn4:5.9","dn4:5.10","dn4:5.11","dn4:5.12","dn4:5.13","dn4:5.14","dn4:5.15","dn4:5.16","dn4:5.17","dn4:5.18","dn4:5.19","dn4:5.20","dn4:5.21","dn4:5.22"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Mā bhavaṁ soṇadaṇḍo samaṇaṁ gotamaṁ dassanāya upasaṅkami.\nNa arahati bhavaṁ soṇadaṇḍo samaṇaṁ gotamaṁ dassanāya upasaṅkamituṁ.\nSace bhavaṁ soṇadaṇḍo samaṇaṁ gotamaṁ dassanāya upasaṅkamissati, bhoto soṇadaṇḍassa yaso hāyissati, samaṇassa gotamassa yaso abhivaḍḍhissati.\nYampi bhoto soṇadaṇḍassa yaso hāyissati, samaṇassa gotamassa yaso abhivaḍḍhissati, imināpaṅgena na arahati bhavaṁ soṇadaṇḍo samaṇaṁ gotamaṁ dassanāya upasaṅkamituṁ;\nsamaṇo tveva gotamo arahati bhavantaṁ soṇadaṇḍaṁ dassanāya upasaṅkamituṁ.\nBhavañhi soṇadaṇḍo ubhato sujāto mātito ca pitito ca, saṁsuddhagahaṇiko yāva sattamā pitāmahayugā akkhitto anupakkuṭṭho jātivādena.\nYampi bhavaṁ soṇadaṇḍo ubhato sujāto mātito ca pitito ca, saṁsuddhagahaṇiko yāva sattamā pitāmahayugā akkhitto anupakkuṭṭho jātivādena, imināpaṅgena na arahati bhavaṁ soṇadaṇḍo samaṇaṁ gotamaṁ dassanāya upasaṅkamituṁ;\nsamaṇo tveva gotamo arahati bhavantaṁ soṇadaṇḍaṁ dassanāya upasaṅkamituṁ.\nBhavañhi soṇadaṇḍo aḍḍho mahaddhano mahābhogo …pe…\nBhavañhi soṇadaṇḍo ajjhāyako mantadharo tiṇṇaṁ vedānaṁ pāragū sanighaṇḍukeṭubhānaṁ sākkharappabhedānaṁ itihāsapañcamānaṁ padako veyyākaraṇo, lokāyatamahāpurisalakkhaṇesu anavayo …pe…\nBhavañhi soṇadaṇḍo abhirūpo dassanīyo pāsādiko paramāya vaṇṇapokkharatāya samannāgato brahmavaṇṇī brahmavacchasī akhuddāvakāso dassanāya …pe…\nBhavañhi soṇadaṇḍo sīlavā vuddhasīlī vuddhasīlena samannāgato …pe…\nBhavañhi soṇadaṇḍo kalyāṇavāco kalyāṇavākkaraṇo poriyā vācāya samannāgato vissaṭṭhāya anelagalāya atthassa viññāpaniyā …pe…\nBhavañhi soṇadaṇḍo bahūnaṁ ācariyapācariyo tīṇi māṇavakasatāni mante vāceti. Bahū kho pana nānādisā nānājanapadā māṇavakā āgacchanti bhoto soṇadaṇḍassa santike mantatthikā mante adhiyitukāmā …pe…\nBhavañhi soṇadaṇḍo jiṇṇo vuddho mahallako addhagato vayoanuppatto;\nsamaṇo gotamo taruṇo ceva taruṇapabbajito ca …pe…\nBhavañhi soṇadaṇḍo rañño māgadhassa seniyassa bimbisārassa sakkato garukato mānito pūjito apacito …pe…\nBhavañhi soṇadaṇḍo brāhmaṇassa pokkharasātissa sakkato garukato mānito pūjito apacito …pe…\nBhavañhi soṇadaṇḍo campaṁ ajjhāvasati sattussadaṁ satiṇakaṭṭhodakaṁ sadhaññaṁ rājabhoggaṁ, raññā māgadhena seniyena bimbisārena dinnaṁ, rājadāyaṁ brahmadeyyaṁ.\nYampi bhavaṁ soṇadaṇḍo campaṁ ajjhāvasati sattussadaṁ satiṇakaṭṭhodakaṁ sadhaññaṁ rājabhoggaṁ, raññā māgadhena seniyena bimbisārena dinnaṁ, rājadāyaṁ brahmadeyyaṁ.\nImināpaṅgena na arahati bhavaṁ soṇadaṇḍo samaṇaṁ gotamaṁ dassanāya upasaṅkamituṁ;\nsamaṇo tveva gotamo arahati bhavantaṁ soṇadaṇḍaṁ dassanāya upasaṅkamitun”ti.","en":"“Please don’t, worthy Soṇadaṇḍa!\nIt’s not appropriate for you to go to see the ascetic Gotama.\nFor if you do so, your reputation will diminish and his will increase.\nFor this reason it’s not appropriate for you to go to see the ascetic Gotama;\nit’s appropriate that he comes to see you.\nYou are well born on both your mother’s and father’s side, stemming from a pure vessel, with irrefutable and impeccable genealogy back to the seventh paternal generation.\nFor this reason it’s not appropriate for you to go to see the ascetic Gotama;\nit’s appropriate that he comes to see you.\nYou’re rich, affluent, and wealthy. …\nYou recite and remember the hymns, and have mastered the three Vedas, together with their vocabularies and ritual performance, their phonology and word classification, and the testaments as fifth. You know them word-by-word, and their grammar. You are well versed in cosmology and the marks of a great man. …\nYou are attractive, good-looking, lovely, of surpassing beauty. You have divine looks and lustre, remarkable to behold. …\nYou are ethical, mature in ethical conduct. …\nYou’re a good speaker who enunciates well, with a polished, clear, and articulate voice that expresses the meaning. …\nYou’re the tutor of tutors for many, and teach three hundred young students to recite the hymns. Many students come from various districts and countries for the sake of the hymns, wishing to learn the hymns. …\nYou’re old, elderly and senior, advanced in years, and have reached the final stage of life.\nThe ascetic Gotama is young, and has newly gone forth. …\nYou’re honored, respected, revered, venerated, and esteemed by King Bimbisāra of Magadha …\nand the brahmin Pokkharasāti. …\nYou live in Campā, a crown property given by King Seniya Bimbisāra of Magadha, teeming with living creatures, full of hay, wood, water, and grain, a royal park endowed to a brahmin.\nFor this reason, too, it’s not appropriate for you to go to see the ascetic Gotama;\nit’s appropriate that he comes to see you.”"}},{"id":"dn4:6","sourceIds":["dn4:6.0","dn4:6.1","dn4:6.2","dn4:6.3","dn4:6.4","dn4:6.5","dn4:6.6","dn4:6.7","dn4:6.8","dn4:6.9","dn4:6.10","dn4:6.11","dn4:6.12","dn4:6.13","dn4:6.14","dn4:6.15","dn4:6.16","dn4:6.17","dn4:6.18","dn4:6.19","dn4:6.20","dn4:6.21","dn4:6.22","dn4:6.23","dn4:6.24","dn4:6.25","dn4:6.26","dn4:6.27","dn4:6.28","dn4:6.29","dn4:6.30","dn4:6.31","dn4:6.32","dn4:6.33","dn4:6.34","dn4:6.35","dn4:6.36","dn4:6.37","dn4:6.38","dn4:6.39","dn4:6.40","dn4:6.41","dn4:6.42","dn4:6.43","dn4:6.44","dn4:6.45","dn4:6.46","dn4:6.47"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"3. Buddhaguṇakathā\nEvaṁ vutte, soṇadaṇḍo brāhmaṇo te brāhmaṇe etadavoca:\n“Tena hi, bho, mamapi suṇātha, yathā mayameva arahāma taṁ bhavantaṁ gotamaṁ dassanāya upasaṅkamituṁ;\nna tveva arahati so bhavaṁ gotamo amhākaṁ dassanāya upasaṅkamituṁ.\nSamaṇo khalu, bho, gotamo ubhato sujāto mātito ca pitito ca, saṁsuddhagahaṇiko yāva sattamā pitāmahayugā, akkhitto anupakkuṭṭho jātivādena.\nYampi, bho, samaṇo gotamo ubhato sujāto mātito ca pitito ca saṁsuddhagahaṇiko yāva sattamā pitāmahayugā, akkhitto anupakkuṭṭho jātivādena, imināpaṅgena na arahati so bhavaṁ gotamo amhākaṁ dassanāya upasaṅkamituṁ;\natha kho mayameva arahāma taṁ bhavantaṁ gotamaṁ dassanāya upasaṅkamituṁ.\nSamaṇo khalu, bho, gotamo mahantaṁ ñātisaṅghaṁ ohāya pabbajito …pe…\nSamaṇo khalu, bho, gotamo pahūtaṁ hiraññasuvaṇṇaṁ ohāya pabbajito bhūmigatañca vehāsaṭṭhaṁ ca …pe…\nSamaṇo khalu, bho, gotamo daharova samāno yuvā susukāḷakeso bhadrena yobbanena samannāgato paṭhamena vayasā agārasmā anagāriyaṁ pabbajito …pe…\nSamaṇo khalu, bho, gotamo akāmakānaṁ mātāpitūnaṁ assumukhānaṁ rudantānaṁ kesamassuṁ ohāretvā kāsāyāni vatthāni acchādetvā agārasmā anagāriyaṁ pabbajito …pe…\nSamaṇo khalu, bho, gotamo abhirūpo dassanīyo pāsādiko paramāya vaṇṇapokkharatāya samannāgato, brahmavaṇṇī, brahmavacchasī, akhuddāvakāso dassanāya …pe…\nSamaṇo khalu, bho, gotamo sīlavā ariyasīlī kusalasīlī kusalasīlena samannāgato …pe…\nSamaṇo khalu, bho, gotamo kalyāṇavāco kalyāṇavākkaraṇo poriyā vācāya samannāgato vissaṭṭhāya anelagalāya atthassa viññāpaniyā …pe…\nSamaṇo khalu, bho, gotamo bahūnaṁ ācariyapācariyo …pe…\nSamaṇo khalu, bho, gotamo khīṇakāmarāgo vigatacāpallo …pe…\nSamaṇo khalu, bho, gotamo kammavādī kiriyavādī apāpapurekkhāro brahmaññāya pajāya …pe…\nSamaṇo khalu, bho, gotamo uccā kulā pabbajito asambhinnakhattiyakulā …pe…\nSamaṇo khalu, bho, gotamo aḍḍhā kulā pabbajito mahaddhanā mahābhogā …pe…\nSamaṇaṁ khalu, bho, gotamaṁ tiroraṭṭhā tirojanapadā pañhaṁ pucchituṁ āgacchanti …pe…\nSamaṇaṁ khalu, bho, gotamaṁ anekāni devatāsahassāni pāṇehi saraṇaṁ gatāni …pe…\nSamaṇaṁ khalu, bho, gotamaṁ evaṁ kalyāṇo kittisaddo abbhuggato:\n‘itipi so bhagavā arahaṁ sammāsambuddho vijjācaraṇasampanno sugato lokavidū anuttaro purisadammasārathi satthā devamanussānaṁ buddho bhagavā’ti …pe…\nSamaṇo khalu, bho, gotamo dvattiṁsamahāpurisalakkhaṇehi samannāgato …pe…\nSamaṇo khalu, bho, gotamo ehisvāgatavādī sakhilo sammodako abbhākuṭiko uttānamukho pubbabhāsī …pe…\nSamaṇo khalu, bho, gotamo catunnaṁ parisānaṁ sakkato garukato mānito pūjito apacito …pe…\nSamaṇe khalu, bho, gotame bahū devā ca manussā ca abhippasannā …pe…\nSamaṇo khalu, bho, gotamo yasmiṁ gāme vā nigame vā paṭivasati, na tasmiṁ gāme vā nigame vā amanussā manusse viheṭhenti …pe…\nSamaṇo khalu, bho, gotamo saṅghī gaṇī gaṇācariyo puthutitthakarānaṁ aggamakkhāyati. Yathā kho pana, bho, etesaṁ samaṇabrāhmaṇānaṁ yathā vā tathā vā yaso samudāgacchati, na hevaṁ samaṇassa gotamassa yaso samudāgato.\nAtha kho anuttarāya vijjācaraṇasampadāya samaṇassa gotamassa yaso samudāgato …pe…\nSamaṇaṁ khalu, bho, gotamaṁ rājā māgadho seniyo bimbisāro saputto sabhariyo sapariso sāmacco pāṇehi saraṇaṁ gato …pe…\nSamaṇaṁ khalu, bho, gotamaṁ rājā pasenadi kosalo saputto sabhariyo sapariso sāmacco pāṇehi saraṇaṁ gato …pe…\nSamaṇaṁ khalu, bho, gotamaṁ brāhmaṇo pokkharasāti saputto sabhariyo sapariso sāmacco pāṇehi saraṇaṁ gato …pe…\nSamaṇo khalu, bho, gotamo rañño māgadhassa seniyassa bimbisārassa sakkato garukato mānito pūjito apacito …pe…\nSamaṇo khalu, bho, gotamo rañño pasenadissa kosalassa sakkato garukato mānito pūjito apacito …pe…\nSamaṇo khalu, bho, gotamo brāhmaṇassa pokkharasātissa sakkato garukato mānito pūjito apacito …pe…\nSamaṇo khalu, bho, gotamo campaṁ anuppatto, campāyaṁ viharati gaggarāya pokkharaṇiyā tīre.\nYe kho pana, bho, keci samaṇā vā brāhmaṇā vā amhākaṁ gāmakhettaṁ āgacchanti atithī no te honti.\nAtithī kho panamhehi sakkātabbā garukātabbā mānetabbā pūjetabbā apacetabbā.\nYampi, bho, samaṇo gotamo campaṁ anuppatto campāyaṁ viharati gaggarāya pokkharaṇiyā tīre, atithimhākaṁ samaṇo gotamo;\natithi kho panamhehi sakkātabbo garukātabbo mānetabbo pūjetabbo apacetabbo.\nImināpaṅgena na arahati so bhavaṁ gotamo amhākaṁ dassanāya upasaṅkamituṁ.\nAtha kho mayameva arahāma taṁ bhavantaṁ gotamaṁ dassanāya upasaṅkamituṁ.\nEttake kho ahaṁ, bho, tassa bhoto gotamassa vaṇṇe pariyāpuṇāmi, no ca kho so bhavaṁ gotamo ettakavaṇṇo.\nAparimāṇavaṇṇo hi so bhavaṁ gotamo”ti.\nEvaṁ vutte, te brāhmaṇā soṇadaṇḍaṁ brāhmaṇaṁ etadavocuṁ:\n“yathā kho bhavaṁ soṇadaṇḍo samaṇassa gotamassa vaṇṇe bhāsati ito cepi so bhavaṁ gotamo yojanasate viharati, alameva saddhena kulaputtena dassanāya upasaṅkamituṁ api puṭosenā”ti.\n“Tena hi, bho, sabbeva mayaṁ samaṇaṁ gotamaṁ dassanāya upasaṅkamissāmā”ti.","en":"3. The Qualities of the Buddha\nWhen they had spoken, Soṇadaṇḍa said to those brahmins:\n“Well then, gentlemen, listen to why it’s appropriate for me to go to see the ascetic Gotama,\nand it’s not appropriate for him to come to see me.\nHe is well born on both his mother’s and father’s side, stemming from a clean vessel, with irrefutable and impeccable genealogy back to the seventh paternal generation.\nFor this reason it’s not appropriate for the ascetic Gotama to come to see me;\nrather, it’s appropriate for me to go to see him.\nWhen he went forth he abandoned a large family circle. …\nWhen he went forth he abandoned abundant gold, both coined and uncoined, stored above and below ground. …\nHe went forth from the lay life to homelessness while still a youth, young, with pristine black hair, blessed with youth, in the prime of life. …\nThough his mother and father wished otherwise, weeping with tearful faces, he shaved off his hair and beard, dressed in ocher robes, and went forth from the lay life to homelessness. …\nHe is attractive, good-looking, lovely, of surpassing beauty. He has divine looks and lustre, remarkable to behold. …\nHe is ethical, possessing ethical conduct that is noble and skillful. …\nHe’s a good speaker who enunciates well, with a polished, clear, and articulate voice that expresses the meaning. …\nHe’s a tutor of tutors. …\nHe has ended sensual desire, and is rid of caprice. …\nHe teaches the efficacy of deeds and action. He doesn’t wish any harm upon the community of brahmins. …\nHe went forth from an eminent family of unbroken aristocratic lineage. …\nHe went forth from a rich, affluent, and wealthy family. …\nPeople come from distant lands and distant countries to question him. …\nMany thousands of deities have gone for refuge for life to him. …\nHe has this good reputation:\n‘That Blessed One is perfected, a fully awakened Buddha, accomplished in knowledge and conduct, holy, knower of the world, supreme guide for those fit for training, teacher of gods and humans, awakened, blessed.’ …\nHe has the thirty-two marks of a great man. …\nHe is welcoming, congenial, polite, smiling, open, the first to speak. …\nHe’s honored, respected, revered, venerated, and esteemed by the four assemblies. …\nMany gods and humans are devoted to him. …\nWhile he is residing in a village or town, non-human entities do not harass them. …\nHe leads an order and a community, and tutors a community, and is said to be the best of the various religious founders. He didn’t come by his fame in the same ways as those other ascetics and brahmins.\nRather, he came by his fame due to his supreme knowledge and conduct. …\nKing Seniya Bimbisāra of Magadha and his wives and children have gone for refuge for life to the ascetic Gotama. …\nKing Pasenadi of Kosala and his wives and children have gone for refuge for life to the ascetic Gotama. …\nThe brahmin Pokkharasāti and his wives and children have gone for refuge for life to the ascetic Gotama. …\nHe’s honored, respected, revered, venerated, and esteemed by King Bimbisāra of Magadha …\nKing Pasenadi of Kosala …\nand the brahmin Pokkharasāti.\nThe ascetic Gotama has arrived at Campā and is staying at the Gaggarā Lotus Pond.\nAny ascetic or brahmin who comes to stay in our village district is our guest,\nand should be honored and respected as such.\nFor this reason, too, it’s not appropriate for the worthy Gotama to come to see me;\nrather, it’s appropriate for me to go to see him.\nThis is the extent of the worthy Gotama’s praise that I have memorized. But his praises are not confined to this,\nfor the praise of the worthy Gotama is limitless.”\nWhen he had spoken, those brahmins said to him,\n“According to Soṇadaṇḍa’s praises, if the worthy Gotama were staying within a hundred leagues, it’d be worthwhile for a faithful gentleman to go to see him, even if he had to carry his own provisions in a knapsack.”\n“Well then, gentlemen, let’s all go to see the ascetic Gotama.”"}},{"id":"dn4:7","sourceIds":["dn4:7.0","dn4:7.1"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"4. Soṇadaṇḍaparivitakka\nAtha kho soṇadaṇḍo brāhmaṇo mahatā brāhmaṇagaṇena saddhiṁ yena gaggarā pokkharaṇī tenupasaṅkami.","en":"4. Soṇadaṇḍa Has Second Thoughts\nThen Soṇadaṇḍa together with a large group of brahmins approached the Gaggarā Lotus Pond."}},{"id":"dn4:8","sourceIds":["dn4:8.1","dn4:8.2","dn4:8.3","dn4:8.4","dn4:8.5","dn4:8.6","dn4:8.7","dn4:8.8","dn4:8.9","dn4:8.10","dn4:8.11","dn4:8.12","dn4:8.13","dn4:8.14","dn4:8.15","dn4:8.16","dn4:8.17","dn4:8.18","dn4:8.19","dn4:8.20"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Atha kho soṇadaṇḍassa brāhmaṇassa tirovanasaṇḍagatassa evaṁ cetaso parivitakko udapādi:\n“ahañceva kho pana samaṇaṁ gotamaṁ pañhaṁ puccheyyaṁ;\ntatra ce maṁ samaṇo gotamo evaṁ vadeyya:\n‘na kho esa, brāhmaṇa, pañho evaṁ pucchitabbo, evaṁ nāmesa, brāhmaṇa, pañho pucchitabbo’ti, tena maṁ ayaṁ parisā paribhaveyya:\n‘bālo soṇadaṇḍo brāhmaṇo abyatto, nāsakkhi samaṇaṁ gotamaṁ yoniso pañhaṁ pucchitun’ti.\nYaṁ kho panāyaṁ parisā paribhaveyya, yasopi tassa hāyetha.\nYassa kho pana yaso hāyetha, bhogāpi tassa hāyeyyuṁ.\nYasoladdhā kho panamhākaṁ bhogā.\nMamañceva kho pana samaṇo gotamo pañhaṁ puccheyya, tassa cāhaṁ pañhassa veyyākaraṇena cittaṁ na ārādheyyaṁ;\ntatra ce maṁ samaṇo gotamo evaṁ vadeyya:\n‘na kho esa, brāhmaṇa, pañho evaṁ byākātabbo, evaṁ nāmesa, brāhmaṇa, pañho byākātabbo’ti, tena maṁ ayaṁ parisā paribhaveyya:\n‘bālo soṇadaṇḍo brāhmaṇo abyatto, nāsakkhi samaṇassa gotamassa pañhassa veyyākaraṇena cittaṁ ārādhetun’ti.\nYaṁ kho panāyaṁ parisā paribhaveyya, yasopi tassa hāyetha.\nYassa kho pana yaso hāyetha, bhogāpi tassa hāyeyyuṁ.\nYasoladdhā kho panamhākaṁ bhogā.\nAhañceva kho pana evaṁ samīpagato samāno adisvāva samaṇaṁ gotamaṁ nivatteyyaṁ, tena maṁ ayaṁ parisā paribhaveyya:\n‘bālo soṇadaṇḍo brāhmaṇo abyatto mānathaddho bhīto ca, no visahati samaṇaṁ gotamaṁ dassanāya upasaṅkamituṁ, kathañhi nāma evaṁ samīpagato samāno adisvā samaṇaṁ gotamaṁ nivattissatī’ti.\nYaṁ kho panāyaṁ parisā paribhaveyya, yasopi tassa hāyetha.\nYassa kho pana yaso hāyetha, bhogāpi tassa hāyeyyuṁ,\nyasoladdhā kho panamhākaṁ bhogā”ti.","en":"But as he reached the far side of the forest, this thought came to mind,\n“Suppose I was to ask the ascetic Gotama a question.\nHe might say to me:\n‘Brahmin, you shouldn’t ask your question like that. This is how you should ask it.’ And the assembly might disparage me for that:\n‘Soṇadaṇḍa is foolish and incompetent. He’s not able to ask the ascetic Gotama a rational question.’\nAnd when you’re disparaged by the assembly, your reputation diminishes.\nWhen your reputation diminishes, your wealth also diminishes.\nBut my wealth relies on my reputation.\nOr if the ascetic Gotama asks me a question, I might not satisfy him with my answer.\nHe might say to me:\n‘Brahmin, you shouldn’t answer the question like that. This is how you should answer it.’ And the assembly might disparage me for that:\n‘Soṇadaṇḍa is foolish and incompetent. He’s not able to satisfy the ascetic Gotama’s mind with his answer.’\nAnd when you’re disparaged by the assembly, your reputation diminishes.\nWhen your reputation diminishes, your wealth also diminishes.\nBut my wealth relies on my reputation.\nOn the other hand, if I were to turn back after having come so far without having seen the ascetic Gotama, the assembly might disparage me for that:\n‘Soṇadaṇḍa is foolish and incompetent. He’s stuck-up and scared. He doesn’t dare to go and see the ascetic Gotama. For how on earth can he turn back after having come so far without having seen the ascetic Gotama!’\nAnd when you’re disparaged by the assembly, your reputation diminishes.\nWhen your reputation diminishes, your wealth also diminishes.\nBut my wealth relies on my reputation.”"}},{"id":"dn4:9","sourceIds":["dn4:9.1","dn4:9.2","dn4:9.3"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Atha kho soṇadaṇḍo brāhmaṇo yena bhagavā tenupasaṅkami; upasaṅkamitvā bhagavatā saddhiṁ sammodi.\nSammodanīyaṁ kathaṁ sāraṇīyaṁ vītisāretvā ekamantaṁ nisīdi.\nCampeyyakāpi kho brāhmaṇagahapatikā appekacce bhagavantaṁ abhivādetvā ekamantaṁ nisīdiṁsu; appekacce bhagavatā saddhiṁ sammodiṁsu; sammodanīyaṁ kathaṁ sāraṇīyaṁ vītisāretvā ekamantaṁ nisīdiṁsu; appekacce yena bhagavā tenañjaliṁ paṇāmetvā ekamantaṁ nisīdiṁsu; appekacce nāmagottaṁ sāvetvā ekamantaṁ nisīdiṁsu; appekacce tuṇhībhūtā ekamantaṁ nisīdiṁsu.","en":"Then Soṇadaṇḍa went up to the Buddha, and exchanged greetings with him.\nWhen the greetings and polite conversation were over, he sat down to one side.\nBefore sitting down to one side, some of the brahmins and householders of Campā bowed, some exchanged greetings and polite conversation, some held up their cupped palms toward the Buddha, some announced their name and clan, while some kept silent."}},{"id":"dn4:10","sourceIds":["dn4:10.1","dn4:10.2","dn4:10.3","dn4:10.4","dn4:10.5","dn4:10.6","dn4:10.7","dn4:10.8","dn4:10.9","dn4:10.10","dn4:10.11","dn4:10.12","dn4:10.13","dn4:10.14","dn4:10.15","dn4:10.16"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Tatrapi sudaṁ soṇadaṇḍo brāhmaṇo etadeva bahulamanuvitakkento nisinno hoti:\n“ahañceva kho pana samaṇaṁ gotamaṁ pañhaṁ puccheyyaṁ;\ntatra ce maṁ samaṇo gotamo evaṁ vadeyya:\n‘na kho esa, brāhmaṇa, pañho evaṁ pucchitabbo, evaṁ nāmesa, brāhmaṇa, pañho pucchitabbo’ti, tena maṁ ayaṁ parisā paribhaveyya:\n‘bālo soṇadaṇḍo brāhmaṇo abyatto, nāsakkhi samaṇaṁ gotamaṁ yoniso pañhaṁ pucchitun’ti.\nYaṁ kho panāyaṁ parisā paribhaveyya, yasopi tassa hāyetha.\nYassa kho pana yaso hāyetha, bhogāpi tassa hāyeyyuṁ.\nYasoladdhā kho panamhākaṁ bhogā.\nMamañceva kho pana samaṇo gotamo pañhaṁ puccheyya, tassa cāhaṁ pañhassa veyyākaraṇena cittaṁ na ārādheyyaṁ;\ntatra ce maṁ samaṇo gotamo evaṁ vadeyya:\n‘na kho esa, brāhmaṇa, pañho evaṁ byākātabbo, evaṁ nāmesa, brāhmaṇa, pañho byākātabbo’ti, tena maṁ ayaṁ parisā paribhaveyya:\n‘bālo soṇadaṇḍo brāhmaṇo abyatto, nāsakkhi samaṇassa gotamassa pañhassa veyyākaraṇena cittaṁ ārādhetun’ti.\nYaṁ kho panāyaṁ parisā paribhaveyya, yasopi tassa hāyetha.\nYassa kho pana yaso hāyetha, bhogāpi tassa hāyeyyuṁ.\nYasoladdhā kho panamhākaṁ bhogā.\nAho vata maṁ samaṇo gotamo sake ācariyake tevijjake pañhaṁ puccheyya, addhā vatassāhaṁ cittaṁ ārādheyyaṁ pañhassa veyyākaraṇenā”ti.","en":"But while sitting there, Soṇadaṇḍa continued to be plagued by many second thoughts. He thought,\n“If only the ascetic Gotama would ask me about my own tutor’s scriptural heritage of the three Vedas! Then I could definitely satisfy his mind with my answer.”"}},{"id":"dn4:11","sourceIds":["dn4:11.0","dn4:11.1","dn4:11.2","dn4:11.3","dn4:11.4","dn4:11.5","dn4:11.6"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"5. Brāhmaṇapaññatti\nAtha kho bhagavato soṇadaṇḍassa brāhmaṇassa cetasā cetoparivitakkamaññāya etadahosi:\n“vihaññati kho ayaṁ soṇadaṇḍo brāhmaṇo sakena cittena.\nYannūnāhaṁ soṇadaṇḍaṁ brāhmaṇaṁ sake ācariyake tevijjake pañhaṁ puccheyyan”ti.\nAtha kho bhagavā soṇadaṇḍaṁ brāhmaṇaṁ etadavoca:\n“katihi pana, brāhmaṇa, aṅgehi samannāgataṁ brāhmaṇā brāhmaṇaṁ paññapenti;\n‘brāhmaṇosmī’ti ca vadamāno sammā vadeyya, na ca pana musāvādaṁ āpajjeyyā”ti?","en":"5. What Makes a Brahmin\nThen, knowing Soṇadaṇḍa’s train of thought, it occurred to the Buddha,\n“This brahmin Soṇadaṇḍa is troubled by his own thoughts.\nWhy don’t I ask him about his own tutor’s scriptural heritage of the three Vedas?”\nSo he said to Soṇadaṇḍa,\n“Brahmin, how many factors must a brahmin possess for the brahmins to describe him as a brahmin;\nand so that when he says ‘I am a brahmin’ he speaks rightly, without falling into falsehood?”"}},{"id":"dn4:12","sourceIds":["dn4:12.1","dn4:12.2","dn4:12.3","dn4:12.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Atha kho soṇadaṇḍassa brāhmaṇassa etadahosi:\n“yaṁ vata no ahosi icchitaṁ, yaṁ ākaṅkhitaṁ, yaṁ adhippetaṁ, yaṁ abhipatthitaṁ:\n‘aho vata maṁ samaṇo gotamo sake ācariyake tevijjake pañhaṁ puccheyya, addhā vatassāhaṁ cittaṁ ārādheyyaṁ pañhassa veyyākaraṇenā’ti, tatra maṁ samaṇo gotamo sake ācariyake tevijjake pañhaṁ pucchati.\nAddhā vatassāhaṁ cittaṁ ārādhessāmi pañhassa veyyākaraṇenā”ti.","en":"Then Soṇadaṇḍa thought,\n“The ascetic Gotama has asked me about exactly what I wanted, what I wished for, what I desired, what I yearned for; that is, my own scriptural heritage.\nI can definitely satisfy his mind with my answer.”"}},{"id":"dn4:13","sourceIds":["dn4:13.1","dn4:13.2","dn4:13.3","dn4:13.4","dn4:13.5","dn4:13.6","dn4:13.7","dn4:13.8","dn4:13.9","dn4:13.10","dn4:13.11"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Atha kho soṇadaṇḍo brāhmaṇo abbhunnāmetvā kāyaṁ anuviloketvā parisaṁ bhagavantaṁ etadavoca:\n“pañcahi, bho gotama, aṅgehi samannāgataṁ brāhmaṇā brāhmaṇaṁ paññapenti;\n‘brāhmaṇosmī’ti ca vadamāno sammā vadeyya, na ca pana musāvādaṁ āpajjeyya.\nKatamehi pañcahi?\nIdha, bho gotama, brāhmaṇo ubhato sujāto hoti mātito ca pitito ca, saṁsuddhagahaṇiko yāva sattamā pitāmahayugā akkhitto anupakkuṭṭho jātivādena;\najjhāyako hoti mantadharo tiṇṇaṁ vedānaṁ pāragū sanighaṇḍukeṭubhānaṁ sākkharappabhedānaṁ itihāsapañcamānaṁ padako veyyākaraṇo lokāyatamahāpurisalakkhaṇesu anavayo;\nabhirūpo hoti dassanīyo pāsādiko paramāya vaṇṇapokkharatāya samannāgato brahmavaṇṇī brahmavacchasī akhuddāvakāso dassanāya;\nsīlavā hoti vuddhasīlī vuddhasīlena samannāgato;\npaṇḍito ca hoti medhāvī paṭhamo vā dutiyo vā sujaṁ paggaṇhantānaṁ.\nImehi kho, bho gotama, pañcahi aṅgehi samannāgataṁ brāhmaṇā brāhmaṇaṁ paññapenti;\n‘brāhmaṇosmī’ti ca vadamāno sammā vadeyya, na ca pana musāvādaṁ āpajjeyyā”ti.","en":"Then Soṇadaṇḍa straightened his back, looked around the assembly, and said to the Buddha,\n“Worthy Gotama, a brahmin must possess five factors for the brahmins to describe him as a brahmin;\nand so that when he says ‘I am a brahmin’ he speaks rightly, without falling into falsehood.\nWhat five?\nIt’s when a brahmin is well born on both his mother’s and father’s side, stemming from a clean vessel, with irrefutable and impeccable genealogy back to the seventh paternal generation.\nHe recites and remembers the hymns, and has mastered the three Vedas, together with their vocabularies and ritual performance, their phonology and word classification, and the testaments as fifth. He knows them word-by-word, and their grammar. He is well versed in cosmology and the marks of a great man.\nHe is attractive, good-looking, lovely, of surpassing beauty. He has divine looks and lustre, remarkable to behold.\nHe is ethical, mature in ethical conduct.\nHe’s astute and intelligent, being the first or second to hold the sacrificial ladle.\nThese are the five factors which a brahmin must possess for the brahmins to describe him as a brahmin;\nand so that when he says ‘I am a brahmin’ he speaks rightly, without falling into falsehood.”"}},{"id":"dn4:14","sourceIds":["dn4:14.1","dn4:14.2","dn4:14.3","dn4:14.4","dn4:14.5","dn4:14.6","dn4:14.7","dn4:14.8","dn4:14.9","dn4:14.10","dn4:14.11"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Imesaṁ pana, brāhmaṇa, pañcannaṁ aṅgānaṁ sakkā ekaṁ aṅgaṁ ṭhapayitvā catūhaṅgehi samannāgataṁ brāhmaṇā brāhmaṇaṁ paññapetuṁ;\n‘brāhmaṇosmī’ti ca vadamāno sammā vadeyya, na ca pana musāvādaṁ āpajjeyyā”ti?\n“Sakkā, bho gotama.\nImesañhi, bho gotama, pañcannaṁ aṅgānaṁ vaṇṇaṁ ṭhapayāma.\nKiñhi vaṇṇo karissati?\nYato kho, bho gotama, brāhmaṇo ubhato sujāto hoti mātito ca pitito ca saṁsuddhagahaṇiko yāva sattamā pitāmahayugā akkhitto anupakkuṭṭho jātivādena;\najjhāyako ca hoti mantadharo ca tiṇṇaṁ vedānaṁ pāragū sanighaṇḍukeṭubhānaṁ sākkharappabhedānaṁ itihāsapañcamānaṁ padako veyyākaraṇo lokāyatamahāpurisalakkhaṇesu anavayo;\nsīlavā ca hoti vuddhasīlī vuddhasīlena samannāgato;\npaṇḍito ca hoti medhāvī paṭhamo vā dutiyo vā sujaṁ paggaṇhantānaṁ.\nImehi kho, bho gotama, catūhaṅgehi samannāgataṁ brāhmaṇā brāhmaṇaṁ paññapenti;\n‘brāhmaṇosmī’ti ca vadamāno sammā vadeyya, na ca pana musāvādaṁ āpajjeyyā”ti.","en":"“But brahmin, is it possible to set aside one of these five factors and still rightly describe someone as a brahmin?”\n“It is possible, worthy Gotama.\nWe could leave appearance out of the five factors.\nFor what does appearance matter?\nA brahmin must possess the remaining four factors for the brahmins to rightly describe him as a brahmin.”"}},{"id":"dn4:15","sourceIds":["dn4:15.1","dn4:15.2","dn4:15.3","dn4:15.4","dn4:15.5","dn4:15.6","dn4:15.7","dn4:15.8","dn4:15.9","dn4:15.10"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Imesaṁ pana, brāhmaṇa, catunnaṁ aṅgānaṁ sakkā ekaṁ aṅgaṁ ṭhapayitvā tīhaṅgehi samannāgataṁ brāhmaṇā brāhmaṇaṁ paññapetuṁ;\n‘brāhmaṇosmī’ti ca vadamāno sammā vadeyya, na ca pana musāvādaṁ āpajjeyyā”ti?\n“Sakkā, bho gotama.\nImesañhi, bho gotama, catunnaṁ aṅgānaṁ mante ṭhapayāma.\nKiñhi mantā karissanti?\nYato kho, bho gotama, brāhmaṇo ubhato sujāto hoti mātito ca pitito ca saṁsuddhagahaṇiko yāva sattamā pitāmahayugā akkhitto anupakkuṭṭho jātivādena;\nsīlavā ca hoti vuddhasīlī vuddhasīlena samannāgato;\npaṇḍito ca hoti medhāvī paṭhamo vā dutiyo vā sujaṁ paggaṇhantānaṁ.\nImehi kho, bho gotama, tīhaṅgehi samannāgataṁ brāhmaṇā brāhmaṇaṁ paññapenti;\n‘brāhmaṇosmī’ti ca vadamāno sammā vadeyya, na ca pana musāvādaṁ āpajjeyyā”ti.","en":"“But brahmin, is it possible to set aside one of these four factors and still rightly describe someone as a brahmin?”\n“It is possible, worthy Gotama.\nWe could leave the hymns out of the four factors.\nFor what do the hymns matter?\nA brahmin must possess the remaining three factors for the brahmins to rightly describe him as a brahmin.”"}},{"id":"dn4:16","sourceIds":["dn4:16.1","dn4:16.2","dn4:16.3","dn4:16.4","dn4:16.5","dn4:16.6","dn4:16.7","dn4:16.8","dn4:16.9"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Imesaṁ pana, brāhmaṇa, tiṇṇaṁ aṅgānaṁ sakkā ekaṁ aṅgaṁ ṭhapayitvā dvīhaṅgehi samannāgataṁ brāhmaṇā brāhmaṇaṁ paññapetuṁ;\n‘brāhmaṇosmī’ti ca vadamāno sammā vadeyya, na ca pana musāvādaṁ āpajjeyyā”ti?\n“Sakkā, bho gotama.\nImesañhi, bho gotama, tiṇṇaṁ aṅgānaṁ jātiṁ ṭhapayāma.\nKiñhi jāti karissati?\nYato kho, bho gotama, brāhmaṇo sīlavā hoti vuddhasīlī vuddhasīlena samannāgato;\npaṇḍito ca hoti medhāvī paṭhamo vā dutiyo vā sujaṁ paggaṇhantānaṁ.\nImehi kho, bho gotama, dvīhaṅgehi samannāgataṁ brāhmaṇā brāhmaṇaṁ paññapenti;\n‘brāhmaṇosmī’ti ca vadamāno sammā vadeyya, na ca pana musāvādaṁ āpajjeyyā”ti.","en":"“But brahmin, is it possible to set aside one of these three factors and still rightly describe someone as a brahmin?”\n“It is possible, worthy Gotama.\nWe could leave birth out of the three factors.\nFor what does birth matter?\nIt’s when a brahmin is ethical, mature in ethical conduct;\nand he’s astute and intelligent, being the first or second to hold the sacrificial ladle.\nA brahmin must possess these two factors for the brahmins to rightly describe him as a brahmin.”"}},{"id":"dn4:17","sourceIds":["dn4:17.1","dn4:17.2","dn4:17.3"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Evaṁ vutte, te brāhmaṇā soṇadaṇḍaṁ brāhmaṇaṁ etadavocuṁ:\n“mā bhavaṁ soṇadaṇḍo evaṁ avaca, mā bhavaṁ soṇadaṇḍo evaṁ avaca.\nApavadateva bhavaṁ soṇadaṇḍo vaṇṇaṁ, apavadati mante, apavadati jātiṁ, ekaṁsena bhavaṁ soṇadaṇḍo samaṇasseva gotamassa vādaṁ anupakkhandatī”ti.","en":"When he had spoken, those brahmins said to him,\n“Please don’t say that, worthy Soṇadaṇḍa, please don’t say that!\nYou’re just condemning appearance, the hymns, and birth! You’re totally going over to the ascetic Gotama’s doctrine!”"}},{"id":"dn4:18","sourceIds":["dn4:18.1","dn4:18.2","dn4:18.3","dn4:18.4","dn4:18.5"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Atha kho bhagavā te brāhmaṇe etadavoca:\n“sace kho tumhākaṁ brāhmaṇānaṁ evaṁ hoti:\n‘appassuto ca soṇadaṇḍo brāhmaṇo, akalyāṇavākkaraṇo ca soṇadaṇḍo brāhmaṇo, duppañño ca soṇadaṇḍo brāhmaṇo, na ca pahoti soṇadaṇḍo brāhmaṇo samaṇena gotamena saddhiṁ asmiṁ vacane paṭimantetun’ti, tiṭṭhatu soṇadaṇḍo brāhmaṇo, tumhe mayā saddhiṁ mantavho asmiṁ vacane.\nSace pana tumhākaṁ brāhmaṇānaṁ evaṁ hoti:\n‘bahussuto ca soṇadaṇḍo brāhmaṇo, kalyāṇavākkaraṇo ca soṇadaṇḍo brāhmaṇo, paṇḍito ca soṇadaṇḍo brāhmaṇo, pahoti ca soṇadaṇḍo brāhmaṇo samaṇena gotamena saddhiṁ asmiṁ vacane paṭimantetun’ti, tiṭṭhatha tumhe, soṇadaṇḍo brāhmaṇo mayā saddhiṁ paṭimantetū”ti.","en":"So the Buddha said to them,\n“Well, brahmins, if you think that\nSoṇadaṇḍa is unlearned, a poor speaker, witless, and not capable of debating with me about this, then leave him aside and you can debate with me.\nBut if you think that\nhe’s learned, a good speaker who enunciates well, astute, and capable of debating with me about this, then you should stand aside and let him debate with me.”"}},{"id":"dn4:19","sourceIds":["dn4:19.1","dn4:19.2","dn4:19.3","dn4:19.4","dn4:19.5","dn4:19.6"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Evaṁ vutte, soṇadaṇḍo brāhmaṇo bhagavantaṁ etadavoca:\n“tiṭṭhatu bhavaṁ gotamo, tuṇhī bhavaṁ gotamo hotu, ahameva tesaṁ sahadhammena paṭivacanaṁ karissāmī”ti.\nAtha kho soṇadaṇḍo brāhmaṇo te brāhmaṇe etadavoca:\n“mā bhavanto evaṁ avacuttha, mā bhavanto evaṁ avacuttha:\n‘apavadateva bhavaṁ soṇadaṇḍo vaṇṇaṁ, apavadati mante, apavadati jātiṁ, ekaṁsena bhavaṁ soṇadaṇḍo samaṇasseva gotamassa vādaṁ anupakkhandatī’ti.\nNāhaṁ, bho, apavadāmi vaṇṇaṁ vā mante vā jātiṁ vā”ti.","en":"When he said this, Soṇadaṇḍa said to the Buddha,\n“Let it be, worthy Gotama, be silent. I myself will respond to them in a legitimate manner.”\nThen he said to those brahmins,\n“Don’t say this, good fellows, don’t say this:\n‘You’re just condemning appearance, the hymns, and birth! You’re totally going over to the ascetic Gotama’s doctrine!’\nI’m not condemning appearance, hymns, or birth.”"}},{"id":"dn4:20","sourceIds":["dn4:20.1","dn4:20.2","dn4:20.3","dn4:20.4","dn4:20.5","dn4:20.6","dn4:20.7","dn4:20.8","dn4:20.9","dn4:20.10","dn4:20.11","dn4:20.12","dn4:20.13","dn4:20.14"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Tena kho pana samayena soṇadaṇḍassa brāhmaṇassa bhāgineyyo aṅgako nāma māṇavako tassaṁ parisāyaṁ nisinno hoti.\nAtha kho soṇadaṇḍo brāhmaṇo te brāhmaṇe etadavoca:\n“passanti no bhonto imaṁ aṅgakaṁ māṇavakaṁ amhākaṁ bhāgineyyan”ti?\n“Evaṁ, bho”.\n“Aṅgako kho, bho, māṇavako abhirūpo dassanīyo pāsādiko paramāya vaṇṇapokkharatāya samannāgato brahmavaṇṇī brahmavacchasī akhuddāvakāso dassanāya, nāssa imissaṁ parisāyaṁ samasamo atthi vaṇṇena ṭhapetvā samaṇaṁ gotamaṁ.\nAṅgako kho māṇavako ajjhāyako mantadharo, tiṇṇaṁ vedānaṁ pāragū sanighaṇḍukeṭubhānaṁ sākkharappabhedānaṁ itihāsapañcamānaṁ padako veyyākaraṇo lokāyatamahāpurisalakkhaṇesu anavayo.\nAhamassa mante vācetā.\nAṅgako kho māṇavako ubhato sujāto mātito ca pitito ca saṁsuddhagahaṇiko yāva sattamā pitāmahayugā akkhitto anupakkuṭṭho jātivādena.\nAhamassa mātāpitaro jānāmi.\nAṅgako kho māṇavako pāṇampi haneyya, adinnampi ādiyeyya, paradārampi gaccheyya, musāvādampi bhaṇeyya, majjampi piveyya, ettha dāni, bho, kiṁ vaṇṇo karissati, kiṁ mantā, kiṁ jāti?\nYato kho, bho, brāhmaṇo sīlavā ca hoti vuddhasīlī vuddhasīlena samannāgato,\npaṇḍito ca hoti medhāvī paṭhamo vā dutiyo vā sujaṁ paggaṇhantānaṁ.\nImehi kho, bho, dvīhaṅgehi samannāgataṁ brāhmaṇā brāhmaṇaṁ paññapenti;\n‘brāhmaṇosmī’ti ca vadamāno sammā vadeyya, na ca pana musāvādaṁ āpajjeyyā”ti.","en":"Now at that time Soṇadaṇḍa’s nephew, the young student Aṅgaka was sitting in that assembly.\nThen Soṇadaṇḍa said to those brahmins,\n“Gentlemen, do you see my nephew, the young student Aṅgaka?”\n“Yes, sir.”\n“Aṅgaka is attractive, good-looking, lovely, of surpassing beauty. He has divine looks and lustre, remarkable to behold. There’s no one in this assembly so good-looking, apart from the ascetic Gotama.\nAṅgaka recites and remembers the hymns, and has mastered the three Vedas, together with their vocabularies and ritual performance, their phonology and word classification, and the testaments as fifth. He knows them word-by-word, and their grammar. He is well versed in cosmology and the marks of a great man.\nAnd I am the one who teaches him the hymns.\nAṅgaka is well born on both his mother’s and father’s side, stemming from a clean vessel, with irrefutable and impeccable genealogy back to the seventh paternal generation.\nAnd I know his mother and father.\nBut if Aṅgaka were to kill living creatures, steal, commit adultery, lie, and drink liquor, then what’s the use of his appearance, his hymns, or his birth?\nIt’s when a brahmin is ethical, mature in ethical conduct;\nand he’s astute and intelligent, being the first or second to hold the sacrificial ladle.\nA brahmin must possess these two factors for the brahmins to rightly describe him as a brahmin.”"}},{"id":"dn4:21","sourceIds":["dn4:21.0","dn4:21.1","dn4:21.2","dn4:21.3","dn4:21.4","dn4:21.5","dn4:21.6","dn4:21.7","dn4:21.8","dn4:21.9","dn4:21.10","dn4:21.11","dn4:21.12"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"6. Sīlapaññākathā\n“Imesaṁ pana, brāhmaṇa, dvinnaṁ aṅgānaṁ sakkā ekaṁ aṅgaṁ ṭhapayitvā ekena aṅgena samannāgataṁ brāhmaṇā brāhmaṇaṁ paññapetuṁ;\n‘brāhmaṇosmī’ti ca vadamāno sammā vadeyya, na ca pana musāvādaṁ āpajjeyyā”ti?\n“No hidaṁ, bho gotama.\nSīlaparidhotā hi, bho gotama, paññā; paññāparidhotaṁ sīlaṁ.\nYattha sīlaṁ tattha paññā, yattha paññā tattha sīlaṁ.\nSīlavato paññā, paññavato sīlaṁ.\nSīlapaññāṇañca pana lokasmiṁ aggamakkhāyati.\nSeyyathāpi, bho gotama, hatthena vā hatthaṁ dhoveyya, pādena vā pādaṁ dhoveyya;\nevameva kho, bho gotama, sīlaparidhotā paññā, paññāparidhotaṁ sīlaṁ.\nYattha sīlaṁ tattha paññā, yattha paññā tattha sīlaṁ.\nSīlavato paññā, paññavato sīlaṁ.\nSīlapaññāṇañca pana lokasmiṁ aggamakkhāyatī”ti.","en":"6. The Discussion of Ethics and Wisdom\n“But brahmin, is it possible to set aside one of these two factors and still rightly describe someone as a brahmin?”\n“No, worthy Gotama.\nFor wisdom is cleansed by ethics, and ethics are cleansed by wisdom.\nEthics and wisdom always go together.\nAn ethical person is wise, and a wise person ethical.\nAnd ethics and wisdom are said to be the best things in the world.\nIt’s just like when you clean one hand with the other, or clean one foot with the other.\nIn the same way, wisdom is cleansed by ethics, and ethics are cleansed by wisdom.\nEthics and wisdom always go together.\nAn ethical person is wise, and a wise person ethical.\nAnd ethics and wisdom are said to be the best things in the world.”"}},{"id":"dn4:22","sourceIds":["dn4:22.1","dn4:22.2","dn4:22.3","dn4:22.4","dn4:22.5","dn4:22.6","dn4:22.7","dn4:22.8","dn4:22.9","dn4:22.10","dn4:22.11","dn4:22.12","dn4:22.13"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Evametaṁ, brāhmaṇa, evametaṁ, brāhmaṇa, sīlaparidhotā hi, brāhmaṇa, paññā, paññāparidhotaṁ sīlaṁ.\nYattha sīlaṁ tattha paññā, yattha paññā tattha sīlaṁ.\nSīlavato paññā, paññavato sīlaṁ.\nSīlapaññāṇañca pana lokasmiṁ aggamakkhāyati.\nSeyyathāpi, brāhmaṇa, hatthena vā hatthaṁ dhoveyya, pādena vā pādaṁ dhoveyya;\nevameva kho, brāhmaṇa, sīlaparidhotā paññā, paññāparidhotaṁ sīlaṁ.\nYattha sīlaṁ tattha paññā, yattha paññā tattha sīlaṁ.\nSīlavato paññā, paññavato sīlaṁ.\nSīlapaññāṇañca pana lokasmiṁ aggamakkhāyati.\nKatamaṁ pana taṁ, brāhmaṇa, sīlaṁ?\nKatamā sā paññā”ti?\n“Ettakaparamāva mayaṁ, bho gotama, etasmiṁ atthe.\nSādhu vata bhavantaṁyeva gotamaṁ paṭibhātu etassa bhāsitassa attho”ti.","en":"“That’s so true, brahmin, that’s so true! For wisdom is cleansed by ethics, and ethics are cleansed by wisdom.\nEthics and wisdom always go together.\nAn ethical person is wise, and a wise person ethical.\nAnd ethics and wisdom are said to be the best things in the world.\nIt’s just like when you clean one hand with the other, or clean one foot with the other.\nIn the same way, wisdom is cleansed by ethics, and ethics are cleansed by wisdom.\nEthics and wisdom always go together.\nAn ethical person is wise, and a wise person ethical.\nAnd ethics and wisdom are said to be the best things in the world.\nBut what, brahmin, is that ethical conduct?\nAnd what is that wisdom?”\n“That’s all I know about this matter, worthy Gotama.\nMay the worthy Gotama himself please clarify the meaning of this.”"}},{"id":"dn4:23","sourceIds":["dn4:23.1","dn4:23.2","dn4:23.3","dn4:23.4","dn4:23.5","dn4:23.6","dn4:23.7","dn4:23.8","dn4:23.9","dn4:23.10","dn4:23.11","dn4:23.12","dn4:23.13","dn4:23.14","dn4:23.15"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Tena hi, brāhmaṇa, suṇohi, sādhukaṁ manasikarohi, bhāsissāmī”ti.\n“Evaṁ, bho”ti kho soṇadaṇḍo brāhmaṇo bhagavato paccassosi.\nBhagavā etadavoca:\n“idha, brāhmaṇa, tathāgato loke uppajjati arahaṁ sammāsambuddho …pe…\nEvaṁ kho, brāhmaṇa, bhikkhu sīlasampanno hoti.\nIdaṁ kho taṁ, brāhmaṇa, sīlaṁ …pe…\npaṭhamaṁ jhānaṁ upasampajja viharati …\ndutiyaṁ jhānaṁ …\ntatiyaṁ jhānaṁ …\ncatutthaṁ jhānaṁ upasampajja viharati …pe…\nñāṇadassanāya cittaṁ abhinīharati, abhininnāmeti …pe…\nIdampissa hoti paññāya …pe…\nnāparaṁ itthattāyāti pajānāti.\nIdampissa hoti paññāya\nayaṁ kho sā, brāhmaṇa, paññā”ti.","en":"“Well then, brahmin, listen and apply your mind well, I will speak.”\n“Yes, worthy sir,” Soṇadaṇḍa replied.\nThe Buddha said this:\n“It’s when a Realized One arises in the world, perfected, a fully awakened Buddha …\nThat’s how a mendicant is accomplished in ethics.\nThis, brahmin, is that ethical conduct. …\nThey enter and remain in the first absorption …\nsecond absorption …\nthird absorption …\nfourth absorption …\nThey project and extend the mind toward knowledge and vision …\nThis pertains to their wisdom. …\nThey understand: ‘… there is nothing further for this place.’\nThis pertains to their wisdom.\nThis, brahmin, is that wisdom.”"}},{"id":"dn4:24","sourceIds":["dn4:24.0","dn4:24.1","dn4:24.2","dn4:24.3","dn4:24.4","dn4:24.5","dn4:24.6","dn4:24.7","dn4:24.8","dn4:24.9","dn4:24.10"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"7. Soṇadaṇḍaupāsakattapaṭivedanā\nEvaṁ vutte, soṇadaṇḍo brāhmaṇo bhagavantaṁ etadavoca:\n“abhikkantaṁ, bho gotama, abhikkantaṁ, bho gotama.\nSeyyathāpi, bho gotama, nikkujjitaṁ vā ukkujjeyya, paṭicchannaṁ vā vivareyya, mūḷhassa vā maggaṁ ācikkheyya, andhakāre vā telapajjotaṁ dhāreyya: ‘cakkhumanto rūpāni dakkhantī’ti; evamevaṁ bhotā gotamena anekapariyāyena dhammo pakāsito.\nEsāhaṁ bhavantaṁ gotamaṁ saraṇaṁ gacchāmi, dhammañca, bhikkhusaṅghañca.\nUpāsakaṁ maṁ bhavaṁ gotamo dhāretu ajjatagge pāṇupetaṁ saraṇaṁ gataṁ.\nAdhivāsetu ca me bhavaṁ gotamo svātanāya bhattaṁ saddhiṁ bhikkhusaṅghenā”ti.\nAdhivāsesi bhagavā tuṇhībhāvena.\nAtha kho soṇadaṇḍo brāhmaṇo bhagavato adhivāsanaṁ viditvā uṭṭhāyāsanā bhagavantaṁ abhivādetvā padakkhiṇaṁ katvā pakkāmi.\nAtha kho soṇadaṇḍo brāhmaṇo tassā rattiyā accayena sake nivesane paṇītaṁ khādanīyaṁ bhojanīyaṁ paṭiyādāpetvā bhagavato kālaṁ ārocāpesi:\n“kālo, bho gotama, niṭṭhitaṁ bhattan”ti.","en":"7. Soṇadaṇḍa Declares Himself a Lay Follower\nWhen he had spoken, Soṇadaṇḍa said to the Buddha,\n“Excellent, worthy Gotama! Excellent!\nAs if he were righting the overturned, or revealing the hidden, or pointing out the path to the lost, or lighting a lamp in the dark so people with clear eyes can see what’s there, worthy Gotama has made the Teaching clear in many ways.\nI go for refuge to the worthy Gotama, to the teaching, and to the mendicant Saṅgha.\nFrom this day forth, may the worthy Gotama remember me as a lay follower who has gone for refuge for life.\nWould you and the mendicant Saṅgha please accept tomorrow’s meal from me?”\nThe Buddha consented with silence.\nThen, knowing that the Buddha had consented, Soṇadaṇḍa rose from his seat, bowed, and respectfully circled the Buddha, keeping him on his right, before leaving.\nAnd when the night had passed Soṇadaṇḍa had delicious fresh and cooked foods prepared in his own home. Then he had the Buddha informed of the time, saying,\n“It’s time, worthy Gotama, the meal is ready.”"}},{"id":"dn4:25","sourceIds":["dn4:25.1","dn4:25.2"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Atha kho bhagavā pubbaṇhasamayaṁ nivāsetvā pattacīvaramādāya saddhiṁ bhikkhusaṅghena yena soṇadaṇḍassa brāhmaṇassa nivesanaṁ tenupasaṅkami; upasaṅkamitvā paññatte āsane nisīdi.\nAtha kho soṇadaṇḍo brāhmaṇo buddhappamukhaṁ bhikkhusaṅghaṁ paṇītena khādanīyena bhojanīyena sahatthā santappesi sampavāresi.","en":"Then the Buddha robed up in the morning and, taking his bowl and robe, went to the home of Soṇadaṇḍa together with the mendicant Saṅgha, where he sat down on the seat spread out.\nThen Soṇadaṇḍa served and satisfied the mendicant Saṅgha headed by the Buddha with his own hands with delicious fresh and cooked foods."}},{"id":"dn4:26","sourceIds":["dn4:26.1","dn4:26.2","dn4:26.3","dn4:26.4","dn4:26.5","dn4:26.6","dn4:26.7","dn4:26.8","dn4:26.9","dn4:26.10","dn4:26.11","dn4:26.12","dn4:26.13"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Atha kho soṇadaṇḍo brāhmaṇo bhagavantaṁ bhuttāviṁ onītapattapāṇiṁ aññataraṁ nīcaṁ āsanaṁ gahetvā ekamantaṁ nisīdi.\nEkamantaṁ nisinno kho soṇadaṇḍo brāhmaṇo bhagavantaṁ etadavoca:\n“ahañceva kho pana, bho gotama, parisagato samāno āsanā vuṭṭhahitvā bhavantaṁ gotamaṁ abhivādeyyaṁ, tena maṁ sā parisā paribhaveyya.\nYaṁ kho pana sā parisā paribhaveyya, yasopi tassa hāyetha.\nYassa kho pana yaso hāyetha, bhogāpi tassa hāyeyyuṁ.\nYasoladdhā kho panamhākaṁ bhogā.\nAhañceva kho pana, bho gotama, parisagato samāno añjaliṁ paggaṇheyyaṁ, āsanā me taṁ bhavaṁ gotamo paccuṭṭhānaṁ dhāretu.\nAhañceva kho pana, bho gotama, parisagato samāno veṭhanaṁ omuñceyyaṁ, sirasā me taṁ bhavaṁ gotamo abhivādanaṁ dhāretu.\nAhañceva kho pana, bho gotama, yānagato samāno yānā paccorohitvā bhavantaṁ gotamaṁ abhivādeyyaṁ, tena maṁ sā parisā paribhaveyya.\nYaṁ kho pana sā parisā paribhaveyya, yasopi tassa hāyetha, yassa kho pana yaso hāyetha, bhogāpi tassa hāyeyyuṁ.\nYasoladdhā kho panamhākaṁ bhogā.\nAhañceva kho pana, bho gotama, yānagato samāno patodalaṭṭhiṁ abbhunnāmeyyaṁ, yānā me taṁ bhavaṁ gotamo paccorohanaṁ dhāretu.\nAhañceva kho pana, bho gotama, yānagato samāno chattaṁ apanāmeyyaṁ, sirasā me taṁ bhavaṁ gotamo abhivādanaṁ dhāretū”ti.","en":"When the Buddha had eaten and washed his hand and bowl, Soṇadaṇḍa took a low seat and sat to one side.\nSeated to one side he said to the Buddha:\n“Worthy Gotama, if, when I have gone to an assembly, I rise from my seat and bow to the worthy Gotama, that assembly might disparage me for that.\nAnd when you’re disparaged by the assembly, your reputation diminishes.\nWhen your reputation diminishes, your wealth also diminishes.\nBut my wealth relies on my reputation.\nIf, when I have gone to an assembly, I raise my cupped palms, please take it that I have risen from my seat.\nAnd if I undo my turban, please take it that I have bowed.\nAnd the worthy Gotama, if, when I am in a carriage, I get down from my carriage and bow to the worthy Gotama, that assembly might disparage me for that.\nIf, when I am in a carriage, I hold up my goad, please take it that I have got down from my carriage.\nAnd if I lower my parasol, please take it that I have bowed.”"}},{"id":"dn4:27","sourceIds":["dn4:27.1","dn4:27.2"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Atha kho bhagavā soṇadaṇḍaṁ brāhmaṇaṁ dhammiyā kathāya sandassetvā samādapetvā samuttejetvā sampahaṁsetvā uṭṭhāyāsanā pakkāmīti.\nSoṇadaṇḍasuttaṁ niṭṭhitaṁ catutthaṁ.","en":"Then the Buddha educated, encouraged, fired up, and inspired the brahmin Soṇadaṇḍa with a Dhamma talk, after which he rose from his seat and left."}}]}],"sourceRevision":"afdafa92450cfe7573b280da50382888323666d2","sourceUrl":"https://suttacentral.net/dn4/en/sujato","licence":"CC0 1.0","licenceUrl":"https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/","editionNote":"Full supplied source file; inherited abbreviations are preserved. Not a reconstructed expansion of every repetition. No Malay or Mandarin translation is implied."}