{"id":"mn56","title":"With Upāli","languageCodes":["en","pi"],"languageNotes":{"en":"Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0","pi":"Mahāsaṅgīti edition · SuttaCentral"},"chapters":[{"id":"mn56","title":"With Upāli","units":[{"id":"mn56:0","sourceIds":["mn56:0.1","mn56:0.2"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Majjhima Nikāya 56\nUpālisutta","en":"Middle Discourses 56\nWith Upāli"}},{"id":"mn56:1","sourceIds":["mn56:1.1","mn56:1.2"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Evaṁ me sutaṁ—\nekaṁ samayaṁ bhagavā nāḷandāyaṁ viharati pāvārikambavane.","en":"So I have heard.\nAt one time the Buddha was staying near Nāḷandā in Pāvārika’s Mango Grove."}},{"id":"mn56:2","sourceIds":["mn56:2.1","mn56:2.2","mn56:2.3","mn56:2.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Tena kho pana samayena nigaṇṭho nāṭaputto nāḷandāyaṁ paṭivasati mahatiyā nigaṇṭhaparisāya saddhiṁ.\nAtha kho dīghatapassī nigaṇṭho nāḷandāyaṁ piṇḍāya caritvā pacchābhattaṁ piṇḍapātapaṭikkanto yena pāvārikambavanaṁ yena bhagavā tenupasaṅkami; upasaṅkamitvā bhagavatā saddhiṁ sammodi.\nSammodanīyaṁ kathaṁ sāraṇīyaṁ vītisāretvā ekamantaṁ aṭṭhāsi. Ekamantaṁ ṭhitaṁ kho dīghatapassiṁ nigaṇṭhaṁ bhagavā etadavoca:\n“saṁvijjanti kho, tapassi, āsanāni; sace ākaṅkhasi nisīdā”ti.","en":"At that time the Jain ascetic of the Ñātika clan was residing at Nāḷandā together with a large assembly of Jain ascetics.\nThen the Jain ascetic Dīgha Tapassī wandered for alms in Nāḷandā. After the meal, on his return from almsround, he went to Pāvārika’s Mango Grove. There he approached the Buddha, and exchanged greetings with him.\nWhen the greetings and polite conversation were over, he stood to one side. The Buddha said to him,\n“There are seats, Tapassī. Please sit if you wish.”"}},{"id":"mn56:3","sourceIds":["mn56:3.1","mn56:3.2","mn56:3.3","mn56:3.4","mn56:3.5","mn56:3.6","mn56:3.7","mn56:3.8","mn56:3.9","mn56:3.10","mn56:3.11","mn56:3.12","mn56:3.13","mn56:3.14","mn56:3.15","mn56:3.16","mn56:3.17","mn56:3.18","mn56:3.19"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Evaṁ vutte, dīghatapassī nigaṇṭho aññataraṁ nīcaṁ āsanaṁ gahetvā ekamantaṁ nisīdi.\nEkamantaṁ nisinnaṁ kho dīghatapassiṁ nigaṇṭhaṁ bhagavā etadavoca:\n“kati pana, tapassi, nigaṇṭho nāṭaputto kammāni paññapeti pāpassa kammassa kiriyāya pāpassa kammassa pavattiyā”ti?\n“Na kho, āvuso gotama, āciṇṇaṁ nigaṇṭhassa nāṭaputtassa ‘kammaṁ, kamman’ti paññapetuṁ;\n‘daṇḍaṁ, daṇḍan’ti kho, āvuso gotama, āciṇṇaṁ nigaṇṭhassa nāṭaputtassa paññapetun”ti.\n“Kati pana, tapassi, nigaṇṭho nāṭaputto daṇḍāni paññapeti pāpassa kammassa kiriyāya pāpassa kammassa pavattiyā”ti?\n“Tīṇi kho, āvuso gotama, nigaṇṭho nāṭaputto daṇḍāni paññapeti pāpassa kammassa kiriyāya pāpassa kammassa pavattiyāti, seyyathidaṁ—\nkāyadaṇḍaṁ, vacīdaṇḍaṁ, manodaṇḍan”ti.\n“Kiṁ pana, tapassi, aññadeva kāyadaṇḍaṁ, aññaṁ vacīdaṇḍaṁ, aññaṁ manodaṇḍan”ti?\n“Aññadeva, āvuso gotama, kāyadaṇḍaṁ, aññaṁ vacīdaṇḍaṁ, aññaṁ manodaṇḍan”ti.\n“Imesaṁ pana, tapassi, tiṇṇaṁ daṇḍānaṁ evaṁ paṭivibhattānaṁ evaṁ paṭivisiṭṭhānaṁ katamaṁ daṇḍaṁ nigaṇṭho nāṭaputto mahāsāvajjataraṁ paññapeti pāpassa kammassa kiriyāya pāpassa kammassa pavattiyā, yadi vā kāyadaṇḍaṁ, yadi vā vacīdaṇḍaṁ, yadi vā manodaṇḍan”ti?\n“Imesaṁ kho, āvuso gotama, tiṇṇaṁ daṇḍānaṁ evaṁ paṭivibhattānaṁ evaṁ paṭivisiṭṭhānaṁ kāyadaṇḍaṁ nigaṇṭho nāṭaputto mahāsāvajjataraṁ paññapeti pāpassa kammassa kiriyāya pāpassa kammassa pavattiyā, no tathā vacīdaṇḍaṁ, no tathā manodaṇḍan”ti.\n“Kāyadaṇḍanti, tapassi, vadesi”?\n“Kāyadaṇḍanti, āvuso gotama, vadāmi”.\n“Kāyadaṇḍanti, tapassi, vadesi”?\n“Kāyadaṇḍanti, āvuso gotama, vadāmi”.\n“Kāyadaṇḍanti, tapassi, vadesi”?\n“Kāyadaṇḍanti, āvuso gotama, vadāmī”ti.\nItiha bhagavā dīghatapassiṁ nigaṇṭhaṁ imasmiṁ kathāvatthusmiṁ yāvatatiyakaṁ patiṭṭhāpesi.","en":"When he said this, Dīgha Tapassī took a low seat and sat to one side.\nThe Buddha said to him,\n“Tapassī, how many kinds of deed does the Jain ascetic of the Ñātika clan describe for performing bad deeds?”\n“Reverend Gotama, the Jain Ñātika doesn’t usually speak in terms of ‘deeds’.\nHe usually speaks in terms of ‘rods’.”\n“Then how many kinds of rod does the Jain Ñātika describe for performing bad deeds?”\n“The Jain Ñātika describes three kinds of rod for performing bad deeds:\nthe physical rod, the verbal rod, and the mental rod.”\n“But are these kinds of rod all distinct from each other?”\n“Yes, each is quite distinct.”\n“Of the three rods thus analyzed and differentiated, which rod does the Jain Ñātika describe as being the most blameworthy for performing bad deeds: the physical rod, the verbal rod, or the mental rod?”\n“The Jain Ñātika describes the physical rod as being the most blameworthy for performing bad deeds, not so much the verbal rod or the mental rod.”\n“Do you say the physical rod, Tapassī?”\n“I say the physical rod, Reverend Gotama.”\n“Do you say the physical rod, Tapassī?”\n“I say the physical rod, Reverend Gotama.”\n“Do you say the physical rod, Tapassī?”\n“I say the physical rod, Reverend Gotama.”\nThus the Buddha made Dīgha Tapassī stand by this point up to the third time."}},{"id":"mn56:4","sourceIds":["mn56:4.1","mn56:4.2","mn56:4.3","mn56:4.4","mn56:4.5","mn56:4.6","mn56:4.7","mn56:4.8","mn56:4.9","mn56:4.10","mn56:4.11","mn56:4.12","mn56:4.13","mn56:4.14","mn56:4.15","mn56:4.16","mn56:4.17","mn56:4.18"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Evaṁ vutte, dīghatapassī nigaṇṭho bhagavantaṁ etadavoca:\n“tvaṁ panāvuso gotama, kati daṇḍāni paññapesi pāpassa kammassa kiriyāya pāpassa kammassa pavattiyā”ti?\n“Na kho, tapassi, āciṇṇaṁ tathāgatassa ‘daṇḍaṁ, daṇḍan’ti paññapetuṁ;\n‘kammaṁ, kamman’ti kho, tapassi, āciṇṇaṁ tathāgatassa paññapetun”ti?\n“Tvaṁ panāvuso gotama, kati kammāni paññapesi pāpassa kammassa kiriyāya pāpassa kammassa pavattiyā”ti?\n“Tīṇi kho ahaṁ, tapassi, kammāni paññapemi pāpassa kammassa kiriyāya pāpassa kammassa pavattiyā, seyyathidaṁ—\nkāyakammaṁ, vacīkammaṁ, manokamman”ti.\n“Kiṁ panāvuso gotama, aññadeva kāyakammaṁ, aññaṁ vacīkammaṁ, aññaṁ manokamman”ti?\n“Aññadeva, tapassi, kāyakammaṁ, aññaṁ vacīkammaṁ, aññaṁ manokamman”ti.\n“Imesaṁ panāvuso gotama, tiṇṇaṁ kammānaṁ evaṁ paṭivibhattānaṁ evaṁ paṭivisiṭṭhānaṁ katamaṁ kammaṁ mahāsāvajjataraṁ paññapesi pāpassa kammassa kiriyāya pāpassa kammassa pavattiyā, yadi vā kāyakammaṁ, yadi vā vacīkammaṁ, yadi vā manokamman”ti?\n“Imesaṁ kho ahaṁ, tapassi, tiṇṇaṁ kammānaṁ evaṁ paṭivibhattānaṁ evaṁ paṭivisiṭṭhānaṁ manokammaṁ mahāsāvajjataraṁ paññapemi pāpassa kammassa kiriyāya pāpassa kammassa pavattiyā, no tathā kāyakammaṁ, no tathā vacīkamman”ti.\n“Manokammanti, āvuso gotama, vadesi”?\n“Manokammanti, tapassi, vadāmi”.\n“Manokammanti, āvuso gotama, vadesi”?\n“Manokammanti, tapassi, vadāmi”.\n“Manokammanti, āvuso gotama, vadesi”?\n“Manokammanti, tapassi, vadāmī”ti.\nItiha dīghatapassī nigaṇṭho bhagavantaṁ imasmiṁ kathāvatthusmiṁ yāvatatiyakaṁ patiṭṭhāpetvā uṭṭhāyāsanā yena nigaṇṭho nāṭaputto tenupasaṅkami.","en":"When this was said, Dīgha Tapassī said to the Buddha,\n“But Reverend Gotama, how many kinds of rod do you describe for performing bad deeds?”\n“Tapassī, the Realized One doesn’t usually speak in terms of ‘rods’.\nHe usually speaks in terms of ‘deeds’.”\n“Then how many kinds of deed do you describe for performing bad deeds?”\n“I describe three kinds of deed for performing bad deeds:\nphysical deeds, verbal deeds, and mental deeds.”\n“But are these kinds of deed all distinct from each other?”\n“Yes, each is quite distinct.”\n“Of the three deeds thus analyzed and differentiated, which deed do you describe as being the most blameworthy for performing bad deeds: physical deeds, verbal deeds, or mental deeds?”\n“I describe mental deeds as being the most blameworthy for performing bad deeds, not so much physical deeds or verbal deeds.”\n“Do you say mental deeds, Reverend Gotama?”\n“I say mental deeds, Tapassī.”\n“Do you say mental deeds, Reverend Gotama?”\n“I say mental deeds, Tapassī.”\n“Do you say mental deeds, Reverend Gotama?”\n“I say mental deeds, Tapassī.”\nThus the Jain ascetic Dīgha Tapassī made the Buddha stand by this point up to the third time, after which he rose from his seat and went to see the Jain Ñātika."}},{"id":"mn56:5","sourceIds":["mn56:5.1","mn56:5.2","mn56:5.3","mn56:5.4","mn56:5.5","mn56:5.6","mn56:5.7","mn56:5.8","mn56:5.9"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Tena kho pana samayena nigaṇṭho nāṭaputto mahatiyā gihiparisāya saddhiṁ nisinno hoti bālakiniyā parisāya upālipamukhāya.\nAddasā kho nigaṇṭho nāṭaputto dīghatapassiṁ nigaṇṭhaṁ dūratova āgacchantaṁ;\ndisvāna dīghatapassiṁ nigaṇṭhaṁ etadavoca:\n“handa kuto nu tvaṁ, tapassi, āgacchasi divā divassā”ti?\n“Ito hi kho ahaṁ, bhante, āgacchāmi samaṇassa gotamassa santikā”ti.\n“Ahu pana te, tapassi, samaṇena gotamena saddhiṁ kocideva kathāsallāpo”ti?\n“Ahu kho me, bhante, samaṇena gotamena saddhiṁ kocideva kathāsallāpo”ti.\n“Yathā kathaṁ pana te, tapassi, ahu samaṇena gotamena saddhiṁ kocideva kathāsallāpo”ti?\nAtha kho dīghatapassī nigaṇṭho yāvatako ahosi bhagavatā saddhiṁ kathāsallāpo taṁ sabbaṁ nigaṇṭhassa nāṭaputtassa ārocesi.","en":"Now at that time the Jain Ñātika was sitting together with a large assembly of Bālaki laypeople headed by Upāli.\nThe Jain Ñātika saw Dīgha Tapassī coming off in the distance\nand said to him,\n“So, Tapassī, where are you coming from in the middle of the day?”\n“Just now, sir, I’ve come from the presence of the ascetic Gotama.”\n“But did you have some discussion with him?”\n“I did.”\n“And what kind of discussion did you have with him?”\nThen Dīgha Tapassī informed the Jain Ñātika of all they had discussed."}},{"id":"mn56:6","sourceIds":["mn56:6.1","mn56:6.2","mn56:6.3","mn56:6.4","mn56:6.5"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Evaṁ vutte, nigaṇṭho nāṭaputto dīghatapassiṁ nigaṇṭhaṁ etadavoca:\n“sādhu sādhu, tapassi.\nYathā taṁ sutavatā sāvakena sammadeva satthusāsanaṁ ājānantena evameva dīghatapassinā nigaṇṭhena samaṇassa gotamassa byākataṁ.\nKiñhi sobhati chavo manodaṇḍo imassa evaṁ oḷārikassa kāyadaṇḍassa upanidhāya.\nAtha kho kāyadaṇḍova mahāsāvajjataro pāpassa kammassa kiriyāya pāpassa kammassa pavattiyā, no tathā vacīdaṇḍo, no tathā manodaṇḍo”ti.","en":"When he had spoken, the Jain Ñātika said to him,\n“Good, good, Tapassī!\nThe Jain ascetic Dīgha Tapassī has answered the ascetic Gotama like a learned disciple who rightly understands their teacher’s instructions.\nFor how significant is the measly mental rod when compared with the solid physical rod?\nRather, the physical rod is the most blameworthy for performing bad deeds, not so much the verbal rod or the mental rod.”"}},{"id":"mn56:7","sourceIds":["mn56:7.1","mn56:7.2","mn56:7.3","mn56:7.4","mn56:7.5","mn56:7.6","mn56:7.7","mn56:7.8","mn56:7.9","mn56:7.10","mn56:7.11","mn56:7.12","mn56:7.13"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Evaṁ vutte, upāli gahapati nigaṇṭhaṁ nāṭaputtaṁ etadavoca:\n“sādhu sādhu, bhante dīghatapassī.\nYathā taṁ sutavatā sāvakena sammadeva satthusāsanaṁ ājānantena evamevaṁ bhadantena tapassinā samaṇassa gotamassa byākataṁ.\nKiñhi sobhati chavo manodaṇḍo imassa evaṁ oḷārikassa kāyadaṇḍassa upanidhāya.\nAtha kho kāyadaṇḍova mahāsāvajjataro pāpassa kammassa kiriyāya pāpassa kammassa pavattiyā, no tathā vacīdaṇḍo, no tathā manodaṇḍo.\nHanda cāhaṁ, bhante, gacchāmi samaṇassa gotamassa imasmiṁ kathāvatthusmiṁ vādaṁ āropessāmi.\nSace me samaṇo gotamo tathā patiṭṭhahissati yathā bhadantena tapassinā patiṭṭhāpitaṁ; seyyathāpi nāma balavā puriso dīghalomikaṁ eḷakaṁ lomesu gahetvā ākaḍḍheyya parikaḍḍheyya samparikaḍḍheyya; evamevāhaṁ samaṇaṁ gotamaṁ vādena vādaṁ ākaḍḍhissāmi parikaḍḍhissāmi samparikaḍḍhissāmi.\nSeyyathāpi nāma balavā soṇḍikākammakāro mahantaṁ soṇḍikākilañjaṁ gambhīre udakarahade pakkhipitvā kaṇṇe gahetvā ākaḍḍheyya parikaḍḍheyya samparikaḍḍheyya; evamevāhaṁ samaṇaṁ gotamaṁ vādena vādaṁ ākaḍḍhissāmi parikaḍḍhissāmi samparikaḍḍhissāmi.\nSeyyathāpi nāma balavā soṇḍikādhutto vālaṁ kaṇṇe gahetvā odhuneyya niddhuneyya nipphoṭeyya; evamevāhaṁ samaṇaṁ gotamaṁ vādena vādaṁ odhunissāmi niddhunissāmi nipphoṭessāmi.\nSeyyathāpi nāma kuñjaro saṭṭhihāyano gambhīraṁ pokkharaṇiṁ ogāhetvā sāṇadhovikaṁ nāma kīḷitajātaṁ kīḷati; evamevāhaṁ samaṇaṁ gotamaṁ sāṇadhovikaṁ maññe kīḷitajātaṁ kīḷissāmi.\nHanda cāhaṁ, bhante, gacchāmi samaṇassa gotamassa imasmiṁ kathāvatthusmiṁ vādaṁ āropessāmī”ti.\n“Gaccha tvaṁ, gahapati, samaṇassa gotamassa imasmiṁ kathāvatthusmiṁ vādaṁ āropehi.\nAhaṁ vā hi, gahapati, samaṇassa gotamassa vādaṁ āropeyyaṁ, dīghatapassī vā nigaṇṭho, tvaṁ vā”ti.","en":"When he said this, the householder Upāli said to him,\n“Good, sir! Well done, Dīgha Tapassī!\nThe Honorable Tapassī has answered the ascetic Gotama like a learned disciple who rightly understands their teacher’s instructions.\nFor how significant is the measly mental rod when compared with the solid physical rod?\nRather, the physical rod is the most blameworthy for performing bad deeds, not so much the verbal rod or the mental rod.\nI’d better go and refute the ascetic Gotama’s doctrine regarding this point.\nIf he stands by the position that he stated to Dīgha Tapassī, I’ll take him on in debate and drag him to and fro and round about, like a strong man would grab a fleecy sheep and drag it to and fro and round about!\nTaking him on in debate, I’ll drag him to and fro and round about, like a strong brewer’s worker would toss a large brewer’s sieve into a deep lake, grab it by the corners, and drag it to and fro and round about!\nTaking him on in debate, I’ll shake him down and about and give him a beating, like a strong brewer’s mixer would grab a strainer by the corners and shake it down and about, and give it a beating!\nI’ll play a game of hemp-washing with the ascetic Gotama, like a sixty-year-old elephant would plunge into a deep lotus pond and play a game of hemp-washing!\nSir, I’d better go and refute the ascetic Gotama’s doctrine on this point.”\n“Go, householder, refute the ascetic Gotama’s doctrine on this point.\nFor either I should do so, or Dīgha Tapassī, or you.”"}},{"id":"mn56:8","sourceIds":["mn56:8.1","mn56:8.2","mn56:8.3","mn56:8.4","mn56:8.5","mn56:8.6","mn56:8.7"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Evaṁ vutte, dīghatapassī nigaṇṭho nigaṇṭhaṁ nāṭaputtaṁ etadavoca:\n“na kho metaṁ, bhante, ruccati yaṁ upāli gahapati samaṇassa gotamassa vādaṁ āropeyya.\nSamaṇo hi, bhante, gotamo māyāvī āvaṭṭaniṁ māyaṁ jānāti yāya aññatitthiyānaṁ sāvake āvaṭṭetī”ti.\n“Aṭṭhānaṁ kho etaṁ, tapassi, anavakāso yaṁ upāli gahapati samaṇassa gotamassa sāvakattaṁ upagaccheyya.\nṬhānañca kho etaṁ vijjati yaṁ samaṇo gotamo upālissa gahapatissa sāvakattaṁ upagaccheyya.\nGaccha tvaṁ, gahapati, samaṇassa gotamassa imasmiṁ kathāvatthusmiṁ vādaṁ āropehi.\nAhaṁ vā hi, gahapati, samaṇassa gotamassa vādaṁ āropeyyaṁ, dīghatapassī vā nigaṇṭho, tvaṁ vā”ti.","en":"When he said this, Dīgha Tapassī said to the Jain Ñātika,\n“Sir, I don’t believe it’s a good idea for the householder Upāli to rebut the ascetic Gotama’s doctrine.\nFor the ascetic Gotama is deceitful. He knows a conversion trick, and uses it to convert the disciples of other religions.”\n“It is impossible, Tapassī, it cannot happen that Upāli could become Gotama’s disciple.\nBut it is possible that Gotama could become Upāli’s disciple.\nGo, householder, refute the ascetic Gotama’s doctrine on this point.\nFor either I should do so, or Dīgha Tapassī, or you.”"}},{"id":"mn56:9","sourceIds":["mn56:9.1","mn56:9.2","mn56:9.3","mn56:9.4","mn56:9.5","mn56:9.6","mn56:9.7","mn56:9.8","mn56:9.9","mn56:9.10","mn56:9.11","mn56:9.12","mn56:9.13","mn56:9.14","mn56:9.15"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Dutiyampi kho dīghatapassī …pe…\ntatiyampi kho dīghatapassī nigaṇṭho nigaṇṭhaṁ nāṭaputtaṁ etadavoca:\n“na kho metaṁ, bhante, ruccati yaṁ upāli gahapati samaṇassa gotamassa vādaṁ āropeyya.\nSamaṇo hi, bhante, gotamo māyāvī āvaṭṭaniṁ māyaṁ jānāti yāya aññatitthiyānaṁ sāvake āvaṭṭetī”ti.\n“Aṭṭhānaṁ kho etaṁ, tapassi, anavakāso yaṁ upāli gahapati samaṇassa gotamassa sāvakattaṁ upagaccheyya.\nṬhānañca kho etaṁ vijjati yaṁ samaṇo gotamo upālissa gahapatissa sāvakattaṁ upagaccheyya.\nGaccha tvaṁ, gahapati, samaṇassa gotamassa imasmiṁ kathāvatthusmiṁ vādaṁ āropehi.\nAhaṁ vā hi, gahapati, samaṇassa gotamassa vādaṁ āropeyyaṁ, dīghatapassī vā nigaṇṭho, tvaṁ vā”ti.\n“Evaṁ, bhante”ti kho upāli gahapati nigaṇṭhassa nāṭaputtassa paṭissutvā uṭṭhāyāsanā nigaṇṭhaṁ nāṭaputtaṁ abhivādetvā padakkhiṇaṁ katvā yena pāvārikambavanaṁ yena bhagavā tenupasaṅkami; upasaṅkamitvā bhagavantaṁ abhivādetvā ekamantaṁ nisīdi. Ekamantaṁ nisinno kho upāli gahapati bhagavantaṁ etadavoca:\n“āgamā nu khvidha, bhante, dīghatapassī nigaṇṭho”ti?\n“Āgamā khvidha, gahapati, dīghatapassī nigaṇṭho”ti.\n“Ahu kho pana te, bhante, dīghatapassinā nigaṇṭhena saddhiṁ kocideva kathāsallāpo”ti?\n“Ahu kho me, gahapati, dīghatapassinā nigaṇṭhena saddhiṁ kocideva kathāsallāpo”ti.\n“Yathā kathaṁ pana te, bhante, ahu dīghatapassinā nigaṇṭhena saddhiṁ kocideva kathāsallāpo”ti?\nAtha kho bhagavā yāvatako ahosi dīghatapassinā nigaṇṭhena saddhiṁ kathāsallāpo taṁ sabbaṁ upālissa gahapatissa ārocesi.","en":"For a second time …\nand a third time, Dīgha Tapassī said to the Jain Ñātika,\n“Sir, I don’t believe it’s a good idea for the householder Upāli to rebut the ascetic Gotama’s doctrine.\nFor the ascetic Gotama is deceitful. He knows a conversion trick, and uses it to convert the disciples of other religions.”\n“It is impossible, Tapassī, it cannot happen that Upāli could become Gotama’s disciple.\nBut it is possible that Gotama could become Upāli’s disciple.\nGo, householder, refute the ascetic Gotama’s doctrine on this point.\nFor either I should do so, or Dīgha Tapassī, or you.”\n“Yes, sir,” replied the householder Upāli to the Jain Ñātika. He rose from his seat, bowed, and respectfully circled him, keeping him on his right. Then he went to the Buddha, bowed, sat down to one side, and said to him,\n“Sir, did the Jain ascetic Dīgha Tapassī come here?”\n“He did, householder.”\n“But did you have some discussion with him?”\n“I did.”\n“And what kind of discussion did you have with him?”\nThen the Buddha informed Upāli of all they had discussed."}},{"id":"mn56:10","sourceIds":["mn56:10.1","mn56:10.2","mn56:10.3","mn56:10.4","mn56:10.5","mn56:10.6","mn56:10.7","mn56:10.8"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Evaṁ vutte, upāli gahapati bhagavantaṁ etadavoca:\n“sādhu sādhu, bhante tapassī.\nYathā taṁ sutavatā sāvakena sammadeva satthusāsanaṁ ājānantena evamevaṁ dīghatapassinā nigaṇṭhena bhagavato byākataṁ.\nKiñhi sobhati chavo manodaṇḍo imassa evaṁ oḷārikassa kāyadaṇḍassa upanidhāya?\nAtha kho kāyadaṇḍova mahāsāvajjataro pāpassa kammassa kiriyāya pāpassa kammassa pavattiyā, no tathā vacīdaṇḍo, no tathā manodaṇḍo”ti.\n“Sace kho tvaṁ, gahapati, sacce patiṭṭhāya manteyyāsi siyā no ettha kathāsallāpo”ti.\n“Sacce ahaṁ, bhante, patiṭṭhāya mantessāmi;\nhotu no ettha kathāsallāpo”ti.","en":"When he said this, the householder Upāli said to him,\n“Good, sir, well done by Tapassī!\nThe Jain ascetic Dīgha Tapassī has answered the ascetic Gotama like a learned disciple who rightly understands their teacher’s instructions.\nFor how impressive is the measly mental rod when compared with the solid physical rod?\nRather, the physical rod is the most blameworthy for performing bad deeds, not so much the verbal rod or the mental rod.”\n“Householder, so long as you debate on the basis of truth, we can have some discussion about this.”\n“I will debate on the basis of truth, sir.\nLet us have some discussion about this.”"}},{"id":"mn56:11","sourceIds":["mn56:11.1","mn56:11.2","mn56:11.3","mn56:11.4","mn56:11.5","mn56:11.6","mn56:11.7","mn56:11.8","mn56:11.9","mn56:11.10","mn56:11.11","mn56:11.12","mn56:11.13"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Taṁ kiṁ maññasi, gahapati,\nidhassa nigaṇṭho ābādhiko dukkhito bāḷhagilāno sītodakapaṭikkhitto uṇhodakapaṭisevī.\nSo sītodakaṁ alabhamāno kālaṁ kareyya.\nImassa pana, gahapati, nigaṇṭho nāṭaputto katthūpapattiṁ paññapetī”ti?\n“Atthi, bhante, manosattā nāma devā tattha so upapajjati”.\n“Taṁ kissa hetu”?\n“Asu hi, bhante, manopaṭibaddho kālaṁ karotī”ti.\n“Manasi karohi, gahapati, manasi karitvā kho, gahapati, byākarohi.\nNa kho te sandhiyati purimena vā pacchimaṁ, pacchimena vā purimaṁ.\nBhāsitā kho pana te, gahapati, esā vācā:\n‘sacce ahaṁ, bhante, patiṭṭhāya mantessāmi,\nhotu no ettha kathāsallāpo’”ti.\n“Kiñcāpi, bhante, bhagavā evamāha, atha kho kāyadaṇḍova mahāsāvajjataro pāpassa kammassa kiriyāya pāpassa kammassa pavattiyā, no tathā vacīdaṇḍo, no tathā manodaṇḍo”ti.","en":"“What do you think, householder?\nTake a Jain ascetic who is sick, suffering, gravely ill. They turn down cold water and use only hot water.\nNot getting cold water, they might die.\nNow, where does the Jain Ñātika say they would be reborn?”\n“Sir, there are gods called ‘mind-bound’. They would be reborn there.\nWhy is that?\nBecause they died with mental attachment.”\n“Think about it, householder! You should think before answering.\nWhat you said before and what you said after don’t match up.\nBut you said that you would debate on the basis of truth.”\n“Even though the Buddha says this, still the physical rod is the most blameworthy for performing bad deeds, not so much the verbal rod or the mental rod.”"}},{"id":"mn56:12","sourceIds":["mn56:12.1","mn56:12.2","mn56:12.3","mn56:12.4","mn56:12.5","mn56:12.6","mn56:12.7","mn56:12.8","mn56:12.9","mn56:12.10","mn56:12.11","mn56:12.12","mn56:12.13","mn56:12.14","mn56:12.15"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Taṁ kiṁ maññasi, gahapati,\nidhassa nigaṇṭho nāṭaputto cātuyāmasaṁvarasaṁvuto sabbavārivārito sabbavāriyutto sabbavāridhuto sabbavāriphuṭo.\nSo abhikkamanto paṭikkamanto bahū khuddake pāṇe saṅghātaṁ āpādeti.\nImassa pana, gahapati, nigaṇṭho nāṭaputto kaṁ vipākaṁ paññapetī”ti?\n“Asañcetanikaṁ, bhante, nigaṇṭho nāṭaputto no mahāsāvajjaṁ paññapetī”ti.\n“Sace pana, gahapati, cetetī”ti?\n“Mahāsāvajjaṁ, bhante, hotī”ti.\n“Cetanaṁ pana, gahapati, nigaṇṭho nāṭaputto kismiṁ paññapetī”ti?\n“Manodaṇḍasmiṁ, bhante”ti.\n“Manasi karohi, gahapati, manasi karitvā kho, gahapati, byākarohi.\nNa kho te sandhiyati purimena vā pacchimaṁ, pacchimena vā purimaṁ.\nBhāsitā kho pana te, gahapati, esā vācā:\n‘sacce ahaṁ, bhante, patiṭṭhāya mantessāmi;\nhotu no ettha kathāsallāpo’”ti.\n“Kiñcāpi, bhante, bhagavā evamāha, atha kho kāyadaṇḍova mahāsāvajjataro pāpassa kammassa kiriyāya pāpassa kammassa pavattiyā, no tathā vacīdaṇḍo, no tathā manodaṇḍo”ti.","en":"“What do you think, householder?\nTake a Jain ascetic who is restrained in the fourfold constraint, is restrained in all that is to be restrained, is bridled in all that is to be restrained, has shaken off evil in all that is to be restrained, and is curbed in all that is to be restrained.\nWhen going out and coming back they injure many little creatures.\nNow, what result does the Jain Ñātika say they would incur?”\n“Sir, the Jain Ñātika says that unintentional acts are not very blameworthy.”\n“But if they are intentional?”\n“Then they are very blameworthy.”\n“But where does the Jain Ñātika say that intention is classified?”\n“In the mental rod, sir.”\n“Think about it, householder! You should think before answering.\nWhat you said before and what you said after don’t match up.\nBut you said that you would debate on the basis of truth.”\n“Even though the Buddha says this, still the physical rod is the most blameworthy for performing bad deeds, not so much the verbal rod or the mental rod.”"}},{"id":"mn56:13","sourceIds":["mn56:13.1","mn56:13.2","mn56:13.3","mn56:13.4","mn56:13.5","mn56:13.6","mn56:13.7","mn56:13.8","mn56:13.9","mn56:13.10","mn56:13.11","mn56:13.12","mn56:13.13","mn56:13.14","mn56:13.15","mn56:13.16","mn56:13.17","mn56:13.18","mn56:13.19","mn56:13.20","mn56:13.21","mn56:13.22","mn56:13.23","mn56:13.24","mn56:13.25","mn56:13.26","mn56:13.27","mn56:13.28"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Taṁ kiṁ maññasi, gahapati,\nayaṁ nāḷandā iddhā ceva phītā ca bahujanā ākiṇṇamanussā”ti?\n“Evaṁ, bhante, ayaṁ nāḷandā iddhā ceva phītā ca bahujanā ākiṇṇamanussā”ti.\n“Taṁ kiṁ maññasi, gahapati,\nidha puriso āgaccheyya ukkhittāsiko.\nSo evaṁ vadeyya:\n‘ahaṁ yāvatikā imissā nāḷandāya pāṇā te ekena khaṇena ekena muhuttena ekaṁ maṁsakhalaṁ ekaṁ maṁsapuñjaṁ karissāmī’ti.\nTaṁ kiṁ maññasi, gahapati,\npahoti nu kho so puriso yāvatikā imissā nāḷandāya pāṇā te ekena khaṇena ekena muhuttena ekaṁ maṁsakhalaṁ ekaṁ maṁsapuñjaṁ kātun”ti?\n“Dasapi, bhante, purisā, vīsampi, bhante, purisā, tiṁsampi, bhante, purisā, cattārīsampi, bhante, purisā, paññāsampi, bhante, purisā nappahonti yāvatikā imissā nāḷandāya pāṇā te ekena khaṇena ekena muhuttena ekaṁ maṁsakhalaṁ ekaṁ maṁsapuñjaṁ kātuṁ.\nKiñhi sobhati eko chavo puriso”ti.\n“Taṁ kiṁ maññasi, gahapati,\nidha āgaccheyya samaṇo vā brāhmaṇo vā iddhimā cetovasippatto.\nSo evaṁ vadeyya:\n‘ahaṁ imaṁ nāḷandaṁ ekena manopadosena bhasmaṁ karissāmī’ti.\nTaṁ kiṁ maññasi, gahapati,\npahoti nu kho so samaṇo vā brāhmaṇo vā iddhimā cetovasippatto imaṁ nāḷandaṁ ekena manopadosena bhasmaṁ kātun”ti?\n“Dasapi, bhante, nāḷandā, vīsampi nāḷandā, tiṁsampi nāḷandā, cattārīsampi nāḷandā, paññāsampi nāḷandā pahoti so samaṇo vā brāhmaṇo vā iddhimā cetovasippatto ekena manopadosena bhasmaṁ kātuṁ.\nKiñhi sobhati ekā chavā nāḷandā”ti.\n“Manasi karohi, gahapati, manasi karitvā kho, gahapati, byākarohi.\nNa kho te sandhiyati purimena vā pacchimaṁ, pacchimena vā purimaṁ.\nBhāsitā kho pana te, gahapati, esā vācā:\n‘sacce ahaṁ, bhante, patiṭṭhāya mantessāmi;\nhotu no ettha kathāsallāpo’”ti.\n“Kiñcāpi, bhante, bhagavā evamāha, atha kho kāyadaṇḍova mahāsāvajjataro pāpassa kammassa kiriyāya pāpassa kammassa pavattiyā, no tathā vacīdaṇḍo, no tathā manodaṇḍo”ti.\n“Taṁ kiṁ maññasi, gahapati,\nsutaṁ te daṇḍakīraññaṁ kāliṅgāraññaṁ majjhāraññaṁ mātaṅgāraññaṁ araññaṁ araññabhūtan”ti?\n“Evaṁ, bhante, sutaṁ me daṇḍakīraññaṁ kāliṅgāraññaṁ majjhāraññaṁ mātaṅgāraññaṁ araññaṁ araññabhūtan”ti.","en":"“What do you think, householder?\nIs this Nāḷandā successful and prosperous, populous and full of people?”\n“Indeed it is, sir.”\n“What do you think, householder?\nSuppose a man were to come along with a drawn sword\nand say:\n‘In one hour I will reduce all the living creatures within the bounds of Nāḷandā to one heap and mass of flesh!’\nWhat do you think, householder?\nCould he do that?”\n“Sir, even ten, twenty, thirty, forty, or fifty men couldn’t do that.\nHow impressive is one measly man?”\n“What do you think, householder?\nSuppose an ascetic or brahmin with psychic power, who has achieved mastery of the mind, were to come along\nand say:\n‘I will reduce Nāḷandā to ashes with a single malevolent act of will!’\nWhat do you think, householder?\nCould he do that?”\n“Sir, an ascetic or brahmin with psychic power, who has achieved mastery of the mind, could reduce ten, twenty, thirty, forty, or fifty Nāḷandās to ashes with a single malevolent act of will.\nHow significant is one measly Nāḷandā?”\n“Think about it, householder! You should think before answering.\nWhat you said before and what you said after don’t match up.\nBut you said that you would debate on the basis of truth.”\n“Even though the Buddha says this, still the physical rod is the most blameworthy for performing bad deeds, not so much the verbal rod or the mental rod.”\n“What do you think, householder?\nHave you heard how the wildernesses of Daṇḍaka, Kaliṅga, Mejjha, and Mātaṅga came to be that way?”\n“I have, sir.”"}},{"id":"mn56:14","sourceIds":["mn56:14.1","mn56:14.2","mn56:14.3","mn56:14.4","mn56:14.5","mn56:14.6","mn56:14.7"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Taṁ kiṁ maññasi, gahapati, kinti te sutaṁ kena taṁ daṇḍakīraññaṁ kāliṅgāraññaṁ majjhāraññaṁ mātaṅgāraññaṁ araññaṁ araññabhūtan”ti?\n“Sutaṁ metaṁ, bhante, isīnaṁ manopadosena taṁ daṇḍakīraññaṁ kāliṅgāraññaṁ majjhāraññaṁ mātaṅgāraññaṁ araññaṁ araññabhūtan”ti.\n“Manasi karohi, gahapati, manasi karitvā kho, gahapati, byākarohi.\nNa kho te sandhiyati purimena vā pacchimaṁ, pacchimena vā purimaṁ.\nBhāsitā kho pana te, gahapati, esā vācā:\n‘sacce ahaṁ, bhante, patiṭṭhāya mantessāmi;\nhotu no ettha kathāsallāpo’”ti.","en":"“What have you heard?”\n“I heard that it was because of a malevolent act of will by seers that the wildernesses of Daṇḍaka, Kaliṅga, Mejjha, and Mātaṅga came to be that way.”\n“Think about it, householder! You should think before answering.\nWhat you said before and what you said after don’t match up.\nBut you said that you would debate on the basis of truth.”"}},{"id":"mn56:15","sourceIds":["mn56:15.1","mn56:15.2","mn56:15.3","mn56:15.4","mn56:15.5","mn56:15.6"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Purimenevāhaṁ, bhante, opammena bhagavato attamano abhiraddho.\nApi cāhaṁ imāni bhagavato vicitrāni pañhapaṭibhānāni sotukāmo, evāhaṁ bhagavantaṁ paccanīkaṁ kātabbaṁ amaññissaṁ.\nAbhikkantaṁ, bhante, abhikkantaṁ, bhante.\nSeyyathāpi, bhante, nikkujjitaṁ vā ukkujjeyya, paṭicchannaṁ vā vivareyya, mūḷhassa vā maggaṁ ācikkheyya, andhakāre vā telapajjotaṁ dhāreyya: ‘cakkhumanto rūpāni dakkhantī’ti; evamevaṁ bhagavatā anekapariyāyena dhammo pakāsito.\nEsāhaṁ, bhante, bhagavantaṁ saraṇaṁ gacchāmi dhammañca bhikkhusaṅghañca.\nUpāsakaṁ maṁ bhagavā dhāretu ajjatagge pāṇupetaṁ saraṇaṁ gatan”ti.","en":"“Sir, I was already delighted and satisfied by the Buddha’s very first simile.\nNevertheless, I wanted to hear the Buddha’s various solutions to the problem, so I thought I’d oppose you in this way.\nExcellent, sir! Excellent!\nAs if he were righting the overturned, or revealing the hidden, or pointing out the path to the lost, or lighting a lamp in the dark so people with clear eyes can see what’s there, the Buddha has made the teaching clear in many ways.\nI go for refuge to the Buddha, to the teaching, and to the mendicant Saṅgha.\nFrom this day forth, may the Buddha remember me as a lay follower who has gone for refuge for life.”"}},{"id":"mn56:16","sourceIds":["mn56:16.1","mn56:16.2","mn56:16.3","mn56:16.4","mn56:16.5","mn56:16.6","mn56:16.7","mn56:16.8"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Anuviccakāraṁ kho, gahapati, karohi, anuviccakāro tumhādisānaṁ ñātamanussānaṁ sādhu hotī”ti.\n“Imināpāhaṁ, bhante, bhagavato bhiyyoso mattāya attamano abhiraddho yaṁ maṁ bhagavā evamāha: ‘anuviccakāraṁ kho, gahapati, karohi, anuviccakāro tumhādisānaṁ ñātamanussānaṁ sādhu hotī’ti.\nMañhi, bhante, aññatitthiyā sāvakaṁ labhitvā kevalakappaṁ nāḷandaṁ paṭākaṁ parihareyyuṁ:\n‘upāli amhākaṁ gahapati sāvakattaṁ upagato’ti.\nAtha ca pana maṁ bhagavā evamāha:\n‘anuviccakāraṁ kho, gahapati, karohi, anuviccakāro tumhādisānaṁ ñātamanussānaṁ sādhu hotī’ti.\nEsāhaṁ, bhante, dutiyampi bhagavantaṁ saraṇaṁ gacchāmi dhammañca bhikkhusaṅghañca.\nUpāsakaṁ maṁ bhagavā dhāretu ajjatagge pāṇupetaṁ saraṇaṁ gatan”ti.","en":"“Householder, you should act after careful consideration. It’s good for well-known people such as yourself to act after careful consideration.”\n“Now I’m even more delighted and satisfied with the Buddha, since he tells me to act after careful consideration.\nFor if the followers of other religions were to gain me as a disciple, they’d carry a banner all over Nāḷandā, saying:\n‘The householder Upāli has become our disciple!’\nAnd yet the Buddha says:\n‘Householder, you should act after careful consideration. It’s good for well-known people such as yourself to act after careful consideration.’\nFor a second time, I go for refuge to the Buddha, to the teaching, and to the mendicant Saṅgha.\nFrom this day forth, may the Buddha remember me as a lay follower who has gone for refuge for life.”"}},{"id":"mn56:17","sourceIds":["mn56:17.1","mn56:17.2","mn56:17.3","mn56:17.4","mn56:17.5","mn56:17.6","mn56:17.7","mn56:17.8","mn56:17.9","mn56:17.10","mn56:17.11"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Dīgharattaṁ kho te, gahapati, nigaṇṭhānaṁ opānabhūtaṁ kulaṁ yena nesaṁ upagatānaṁ piṇḍakaṁ dātabbaṁ maññeyyāsī”ti.\n“Imināpāhaṁ, bhante, bhagavato bhiyyoso mattāya attamano abhiraddho yaṁ maṁ bhagavā evamāha: ‘dīgharattaṁ kho te, gahapati, nigaṇṭhānaṁ opānabhūtaṁ kulaṁ yena nesaṁ upagatānaṁ piṇḍakaṁ dātabbaṁ maññeyyāsī’ti.\nSutaṁ metaṁ, bhante, samaṇo gotamo evamāha:\n‘mayhameva dānaṁ dātabbaṁ, nāññesaṁ dānaṁ dātabbaṁ;\nmayhameva sāvakānaṁ dānaṁ dātabbaṁ, nāññesaṁ sāvakānaṁ dānaṁ dātabbaṁ;\nmayhameva dinnaṁ mahapphalaṁ, nāññesaṁ dinnaṁ mahapphalaṁ;\nmayhameva sāvakānaṁ dinnaṁ mahapphalaṁ, nāññesaṁ sāvakānaṁ dinnaṁ mahapphalan’ti.\nAtha ca pana maṁ bhagavā nigaṇṭhesupi dāne samādapeti.\nApi ca, bhante, mayamettha kālaṁ jānissāma.\nEsāhaṁ, bhante, tatiyampi bhagavantaṁ saraṇaṁ gacchāmi dhammañca bhikkhusaṅghañca.\nUpāsakaṁ maṁ bhagavā dhāretu ajjatagge pāṇupetaṁ saraṇaṁ gatan”ti.","en":"“For a long time now, householder, your family has been a well-spring of support for the Jain ascetics. You should consider giving to them when they come.”\n“Now I’m even more delighted and satisfied with the Buddha, since he tells me to consider giving to the Jain ascetics when they come.\nI have heard, sir, that the ascetic Gotama says this:\n‘Gifts should only be given to me, not to others.\nGifts should only be given to my disciples, not to the disciples of others.\nOnly what is given to me is very fruitful, not what is given to others.\nOnly what is given to my disciples is very fruitful, not what is given to the disciples of others.’\nYet the Buddha encourages me to give to the Jain ascetics.\nWell, sir, we’ll know the proper time for that.\nFor a third time, I go for refuge to the Buddha, to the teaching, and to the mendicant Saṅgha.\nFrom this day forth, may the Buddha remember me as a lay follower who has gone for refuge for life.”"}},{"id":"mn56:18","sourceIds":["mn56:18.1","mn56:18.2","mn56:18.3","mn56:18.4","mn56:18.5","mn56:18.6","mn56:18.7","mn56:18.8","mn56:18.9","mn56:18.10"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Atha kho bhagavā upālissa gahapatissa anupubbiṁ kathaṁ kathesi, seyyathidaṁ—\ndānakathaṁ sīlakathaṁ saggakathaṁ, kāmānaṁ ādīnavaṁ okāraṁ saṅkilesaṁ, nekkhamme ānisaṁsaṁ pakāsesi.\nYadā bhagavā aññāsi upāliṁ gahapatiṁ kallacittaṁ muducittaṁ vinīvaraṇacittaṁ udaggacittaṁ pasannacittaṁ, atha yā buddhānaṁ sāmukkaṁsikā dhammadesanā taṁ pakāsesi—\ndukkhaṁ, samudayaṁ, nirodhaṁ, maggaṁ.\nSeyyathāpi nāma suddhaṁ vatthaṁ apagatakāḷakaṁ sammadeva rajanaṁ paṭiggaṇheyya;\nevameva upālissa gahapatissa tasmiṁyeva āsane virajaṁ vītamalaṁ dhammacakkhuṁ udapādi:\n“yaṁ kiñci samudayadhammaṁ sabbaṁ taṁ nirodhadhamman”ti.\nAtha kho upāli gahapati diṭṭhadhammo pattadhammo viditadhammo pariyogāḷhadhammo tiṇṇavicikiccho vigatakathaṅkatho vesārajjappatto aparappaccayo satthusāsane bhagavantaṁ etadavoca:\n“handa ca dāni mayaṁ, bhante, gacchāma, bahukiccā mayaṁ bahukaraṇīyā”ti.\n“Yassadāni tvaṁ, gahapati, kālaṁ maññasī”ti.","en":"Then the Buddha taught the householder Upāli step by step, with\na talk on giving, ethical conduct, and heaven. He revealed the drawbacks of sensual pleasures, so sordid and corrupt, and the benefit of renunciation.\nAnd when he knew that Upāli’s mind was ready, pliable, rid of hindrances, elated, and confident he revealed the special teaching of the Buddhas:\nsuffering, its origin, its cessation, and the path.\nJust as a clean cloth rid of stains would properly absorb dye,\nin that very seat the stainless, immaculate vision of the Dhamma arose in Upāli:\n“Everything that is liable to arise is liable to cease.”\nThen Upāli saw, attained, understood, and fathomed the Dhamma. He went beyond doubt, got rid of indecision, and became self-assured and independent of others regarding the Teacher’s instructions.\nHe said to the Buddha, “Well, now, sir, I must go. I have many duties, and much to do.”\n“Please, householder, go at your convenience.”"}},{"id":"mn56:19","sourceIds":["mn56:19.1","mn56:19.2","mn56:19.3","mn56:19.4","mn56:19.5","mn56:19.6","mn56:19.7","mn56:19.8"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Atha kho upāli gahapati bhagavato bhāsitaṁ abhinanditvā anumoditvā uṭṭhāyāsanā bhagavantaṁ abhivādetvā padakkhiṇaṁ katvā yena sakaṁ nivesanaṁ tenupasaṅkami; upasaṅkamitvā dovārikaṁ āmantesi:\n“ajjatagge, samma dovārika, āvarāmi dvāraṁ nigaṇṭhānaṁ nigaṇṭhīnaṁ, anāvaṭaṁ dvāraṁ bhagavato bhikkhūnaṁ bhikkhunīnaṁ upāsakānaṁ upāsikānaṁ.\nSace koci nigaṇṭho āgacchati tamenaṁ tvaṁ evaṁ vadeyyāsi:\n‘tiṭṭha, bhante, mā pāvisi.\nAjjatagge upāli gahapati samaṇassa gotamassa sāvakattaṁ upagato.\nĀvaṭaṁ dvāraṁ nigaṇṭhānaṁ nigaṇṭhīnaṁ, anāvaṭaṁ dvāraṁ bhagavato bhikkhūnaṁ bhikkhunīnaṁ upāsakānaṁ upāsikānaṁ.\nSace te, bhante, piṇḍakena attho, ettheva tiṭṭha, ettheva te āharissantī’”ti.\n“Evaṁ, bhante”ti kho dovāriko upālissa gahapatissa paccassosi.","en":"And then the householder Upāli approved and agreed with what the Buddha said. He got up from his seat, bowed and respectfully circled the Buddha, keeping him on his right. Then he went back to his own home, where he addressed the gatekeeper,\n“My good gatekeeper, from this day forth close the gate to Jain monks and nuns, and open it for the Buddha’s monks, nuns, laymen, and laywomen.\nIf any Jain ascetics come, say this to them:\n‘Wait, sir, do not enter.\nFrom now on the householder Upāli has become a disciple of the ascetic Gotama.\nHis gate is closed to Jain monks and nuns, and opened for the Buddha’s monks, nuns, laymen, and laywomen.\nIf you require almsfood, wait here, they will bring it to you.’”\n“Yes, sir,” replied the gatekeeper."}},{"id":"mn56:20","sourceIds":["mn56:20.1","mn56:20.2","mn56:20.3","mn56:20.4","mn56:20.5","mn56:20.6","mn56:20.7","mn56:20.8","mn56:20.9","mn56:20.10","mn56:20.11","mn56:20.12","mn56:20.13"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Assosi kho dīghatapassī nigaṇṭho:\n“upāli kira gahapati samaṇassa gotamassa sāvakattaṁ upagato”ti.\nAtha kho dīghatapassī nigaṇṭho yena nigaṇṭho nāṭaputto tenupasaṅkami; upasaṅkamitvā nigaṇṭhaṁ nāṭaputtaṁ etadavoca:\n“sutaṁ metaṁ, bhante, upāli kira gahapati samaṇassa gotamassa sāvakattaṁ upagato”ti.\n“Aṭṭhānaṁ kho etaṁ, tapassi, anavakāso yaṁ upāli gahapati samaṇassa gotamassa sāvakattaṁ upagaccheyya.\nṬhānañca kho etaṁ vijjati yaṁ samaṇo gotamo upālissa gahapatissa sāvakattaṁ upagaccheyyā”ti.\nDutiyampi kho dīghatapassī nigaṇṭho …pe…\ntatiyampi kho dīghatapassī nigaṇṭho nigaṇṭhaṁ nāṭaputtaṁ etadavoca:\n“sutaṁ metaṁ, bhante …\npe…\nupālissa gahapatissa sāvakattaṁ upagaccheyyā”ti.\n“Handāhaṁ, bhante, gacchāmi yāva jānāmi yadi vā upāli gahapati samaṇassa gotamassa sāvakattaṁ upagato yadi vā no”ti.\n“Gaccha tvaṁ, tapassi, jānāhi yadi vā upāli gahapati samaṇassa gotamassa sāvakattaṁ upagato yadi vā no”ti.","en":"Dīgha Tapassī heard that\nUpāli had become a disciple of the ascetic Gotama.\nHe went to the Jain Ñātika and said to him,\n“Sir, they say that the householder Upāli has become a disciple of the ascetic Gotama.”\n“It is impossible, Tapassī, it cannot happen that Upāli could become Gotama’s disciple.\nBut it is possible that Gotama could become Upāli’s disciple.”\nFor a second time …\nand a third time, Dīgha Tapassī said to the Jain Ñātika,\n“Sir, they say that the householder Upāli has become a disciple of the ascetic Gotama.”\n“It is impossible, Tapassī, it cannot happen that Upāli could become Gotama’s disciple.\nBut it is possible that Gotama could become Upāli’s disciple.”\n“Well, sir, I’d better go and find out whether or not Upāli has become Gotama’s disciple.”\n“Go, Tapassī, and find out whether or not Upāli has become Gotama’s disciple.”"}},{"id":"mn56:21","sourceIds":["mn56:21.1","mn56:21.2","mn56:21.3","mn56:21.4","mn56:21.5","mn56:21.6","mn56:21.7","mn56:21.8","mn56:21.9","mn56:21.10","mn56:21.11","mn56:21.12","mn56:21.13","mn56:21.14","mn56:21.15","mn56:21.16","mn56:21.17","mn56:21.18","mn56:21.19","mn56:21.20","mn56:21.21","mn56:21.22"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Atha kho dīghatapassī nigaṇṭho yena upālissa gahapatissa nivesanaṁ tenupasaṅkami.\nAddasā kho dovāriko dīghatapassiṁ nigaṇṭhaṁ dūratova āgacchantaṁ.\nDisvāna dīghatapassiṁ nigaṇṭhaṁ etadavoca:\n“tiṭṭha, bhante, mā pāvisi.\nAjjatagge upāli gahapati samaṇassa gotamassa sāvakattaṁ upagato.\nĀvaṭaṁ dvāraṁ nigaṇṭhānaṁ nigaṇṭhīnaṁ, anāvaṭaṁ dvāraṁ bhagavato bhikkhūnaṁ bhikkhunīnaṁ upāsakānaṁ upāsikānaṁ.\nSace te, bhante, piṇḍakena attho, ettheva tiṭṭha, ettheva te āharissantī”ti.\n“Na me, āvuso, piṇḍakena attho”ti vatvā tato paṭinivattitvā yena nigaṇṭho nāṭaputto tenupasaṅkami; upasaṅkamitvā nigaṇṭhaṁ nāṭaputtaṁ etadavoca:\n“saccaṁyeva kho, bhante, yaṁ upāli gahapati samaṇassa gotamassa sāvakattaṁ upagato.\nEtaṁ kho te ahaṁ, bhante, nālatthaṁ, na kho me, bhante, ruccati yaṁ upāli gahapati samaṇassa gotamassa vādaṁ āropeyya.\nSamaṇo hi, bhante, gotamo māyāvī āvaṭṭaniṁ māyaṁ jānāti yāya aññatitthiyānaṁ sāvake āvaṭṭetīti.\nĀvaṭṭo kho te, bhante, upāli gahapati samaṇena gotamena āvaṭṭaniyā māyāyā”ti.\n“Aṭṭhānaṁ kho etaṁ, tapassi, anavakāso yaṁ upāli gahapati samaṇassa gotamassa sāvakattaṁ upagaccheyya.\nṬhānañca kho etaṁ vijjati yaṁ samaṇo gotamo upālissa gahapatissa sāvakattaṁ upagaccheyyā”ti.\nDutiyampi kho dīghatapassī nigaṇṭho nigaṇṭhaṁ nāṭaputtaṁ etadavoca:\n“saccaṁyeva, bhante …pe…\nupālissa gahapatissa sāvakattaṁ upagaccheyyā”ti.\nTatiyampi kho dīghatapassī nigaṇṭho nigaṇṭhaṁ nāṭaputtaṁ etadavoca:\n“saccaṁyeva kho, bhante …\npe…\nupālissa gahapatissa sāvakattaṁ upagaccheyyā”ti.\n“Handa cāhaṁ, tapassi, gacchāmi yāva cāhaṁ sāmaṁyeva jānāmi yadi vā upāli gahapati samaṇassa gotamassa sāvakattaṁ upagato yadi vā no”ti.","en":"Then Dīgha Tapassī went to Upāli’s home.\nThe gatekeeper saw him coming off in the distance\nand said to him,\n“Wait, sir, do not enter.\nFrom now on the householder Upāli has become a disciple of the ascetic Gotama.\nHis gate is closed to Jain monks and nuns, and opened for the Buddha’s monks, nuns, laymen, and laywomen.\nIf you require almsfood, wait here, they will bring it to you.”\nSaying, “No, worthy man, I do not require almsfood,” he turned back and went to the Jain Ñātika and said to him,\n“Sir, it’s really true that Upāli has become Gotama’s disciple.\nSir, I couldn’t get you to accept that it wasn’t a good idea for the householder Upāli to rebut the ascetic Gotama’s doctrine.\nFor the ascetic Gotama is deceitful. He knows a conversion trick, and uses it to convert the disciples of other religions.\nThe householder Upāli has been converted by the ascetic Gotama’s conversion trick!”\n“It is impossible, Tapassī, it cannot happen that Upāli could become Gotama’s disciple.\nBut it is possible that Gotama could become Upāli’s disciple.”\nFor a second time …\nand a third time, Dīgha Tapassī told the Jain Ñātika\nthat it was really true.\n“It is impossible …\nWell, Tapassī, I’d better go and find out for myself whether or not Upāli has become Gotama’s disciple.”"}},{"id":"mn56:22","sourceIds":["mn56:22.1","mn56:22.2","mn56:22.3","mn56:22.4","mn56:22.5","mn56:22.6","mn56:22.7","mn56:22.8","mn56:22.9","mn56:22.10","mn56:22.11","mn56:22.12","mn56:22.13","mn56:22.14","mn56:22.15","mn56:22.16","mn56:22.17"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Atha kho nigaṇṭho nāṭaputto mahatiyā nigaṇṭhaparisāya saddhiṁ yena upālissa gahapatissa nivesanaṁ tenupasaṅkami.\nAddasā kho dovāriko nigaṇṭhaṁ nāṭaputtaṁ dūratova āgacchantaṁ.\nDisvāna nigaṇṭhaṁ nāṭaputtaṁ etadavoca:\n“tiṭṭha, bhante, mā pāvisi.\nAjjatagge upāli gahapati samaṇassa gotamassa sāvakattaṁ upagato.\nĀvaṭaṁ dvāraṁ nigaṇṭhānaṁ nigaṇṭhīnaṁ, anāvaṭaṁ dvāraṁ bhagavato bhikkhūnaṁ bhikkhunīnaṁ upāsakānaṁ upāsikānaṁ.\nSace te, bhante, piṇḍakena attho, ettheva tiṭṭha, ettheva te āharissantī”ti.\n“Tena hi, samma dovārika, yena upāli gahapati tenupasaṅkama; upasaṅkamitvā upāliṁ gahapatiṁ evaṁ vadehi:\n‘nigaṇṭho, bhante, nāṭaputto mahatiyā nigaṇṭhaparisāya saddhiṁ bahidvārakoṭṭhake ṭhito;\nso te dassanakāmo’”ti.\n“Evaṁ, bhante”ti kho dovāriko nigaṇṭhassa nāṭaputtassa paṭissutvā yena upāli gahapati tenupasaṅkami; upasaṅkamitvā upāliṁ gahapatiṁ etadavoca:\n“nigaṇṭho, bhante, nāṭaputto mahatiyā nigaṇṭhaparisāya saddhiṁ bahidvārakoṭṭhake ṭhito;\nso te dassanakāmo”ti.\n“Tena hi, samma dovārika, majjhimāya dvārasālāya āsanāni paññapehī”ti.\n“Evaṁ, bhante”ti kho dovāriko upālissa gahapatissa paṭissutvā majjhimāya dvārasālāya āsanāni paññapetvā yena upāli gahapati tenupasaṅkami; upasaṅkamitvā upāliṁ gahapatiṁ etadavoca:\n“paññattāni kho, bhante, majjhimāya dvārasālāya āsanāni.\nYassadāni kālaṁ maññasī”ti.","en":"Then the Jain Ñātika went to Upāli’s home together with a large following of Jain ascetics.\nThe gatekeeper saw him coming off in the distance\nand said to him:\n“Wait, sir, do not enter.\nFrom now on the householder Upāli has become a disciple of the ascetic Gotama.\nHis gate is closed to Jain monks and nuns, and opened for the Buddha’s monks, nuns, laymen, and laywomen.\nIf you require almsfood, wait here, they will bring it to you.”\n“Well then, my good gatekeeper, go to Upāli and say:\n‘Sir, the Jain Ñātika is waiting outside the gates together with a large following of Jain ascetics.\nHe wishes to see you.’”\n“Yes, sir,” replied the gatekeeper. He went to Upāli and relayed what was said.\nUpāli said to him, “Well, then, my good gatekeeper, prepare seats in the hall of the middle gate.”\n“Yes, sir,” replied the gatekeeper. He did as he was asked, then returned to Upāli and said,\n“Sir, seats have been prepared in the hall of the middle gate.\nPlease go at your convenience.”"}},{"id":"mn56:23","sourceIds":["mn56:23.1","mn56:23.2","mn56:23.3","mn56:23.4","mn56:23.5","mn56:23.6","mn56:23.7","mn56:23.8"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Atha kho upāli gahapati yena majjhimā dvārasālā tenupasaṅkami; upasaṅkamitvā yaṁ tattha āsanaṁ aggañca seṭṭhañca uttamañca paṇītañca tattha sāmaṁ nisīditvā dovārikaṁ āmantesi:\n“tena hi, samma dovārika, yena nigaṇṭho nāṭaputto tenupasaṅkama; upasaṅkamitvā nigaṇṭhaṁ nāṭaputtaṁ evaṁ vadehi:\n‘upāli, bhante, gahapati evamāha—\npavisa kira, bhante, sace ākaṅkhasī’”ti.\n“Evaṁ, bhante”ti kho dovāriko upālissa gahapatissa paṭissutvā yena nigaṇṭho nāṭaputto tenupasaṅkami; upasaṅkamitvā nigaṇṭhaṁ nāṭaputtaṁ etadavoca:\n“upāli, bhante, gahapati evamāha:\n‘pavisa kira, bhante, sace ākaṅkhasī’”ti.\nAtha kho nigaṇṭho nāṭaputto mahatiyā nigaṇṭhaparisāya saddhiṁ yena majjhimā dvārasālā tenupasaṅkami.","en":"Then Upāli went to the hall of the middle gate, where he sat on the highest and finest seat. He addressed the gatekeeper,\n“Well then, my good gatekeeper, go to the Jain Ñātika and say to him:\n‘Sir, Upāli says\nyou may enter if you wish.’”\n“Yes, sir,” replied the gatekeeper. He went to the Jain Ñātika and relayed what was said.\nThen the Jain Ñātika went to the hall of the middle gate together with a large following of Jain ascetics."}},{"id":"mn56:24","sourceIds":["mn56:24.1","mn56:24.2","mn56:24.3","mn56:24.4","mn56:24.5"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Atha kho upāli gahapati—\nyaṁ sudaṁ pubbe yato passati nigaṇṭhaṁ nāṭaputtaṁ dūratova āgacchantaṁ disvāna tato paccuggantvā yaṁ tattha āsanaṁ aggañca seṭṭhañca uttamañca paṇītañca taṁ uttarāsaṅgena sammajjitvā pariggahetvā nisīdāpeti so—\ndāni yaṁ tattha āsanaṁ aggañca seṭṭhañca uttamañca paṇītañca tattha sāmaṁ nisīditvā nigaṇṭhaṁ nāṭaputtaṁ etadavoca:\n“saṁvijjanti kho, bhante, āsanāni;\nsace ākaṅkhasi, nisīdā”ti.","en":"Previously, when Upāli saw the Jain Ñātika coming, he would go out to greet him and, having wiped off the highest and finest seat with his upper robe, he would embrace him and sit him down.\nBut today, having seated himself on the highest and finest seat, he said to the Jain Ñātika,\n“There are seats, sir.\nPlease sit if you wish.”"}},{"id":"mn56:25","sourceIds":["mn56:25.1","mn56:25.2","mn56:25.3","mn56:25.4","mn56:25.5","mn56:25.6"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Evaṁ vutte, nigaṇṭho nāṭaputto upāliṁ gahapatiṁ etadavoca:\n“ummattosi tvaṁ, gahapati, dattosi tvaṁ, gahapati.\n‘Gacchāmahaṁ, bhante, samaṇassa gotamassa vādaṁ āropessāmī’ti gantvā mahatāsi vādasaṅghāṭena paṭimukko āgato.\nSeyyathāpi, gahapati, puriso aṇḍahārako gantvā ubbhatehi aṇḍehi āgaccheyya, seyyathā vā pana gahapati puriso akkhikahārako gantvā ubbhatehi akkhīhi āgaccheyya;\nevameva kho tvaṁ, gahapati, ‘gacchāmahaṁ, bhante, samaṇassa gotamassa vādaṁ āropessāmī’ti gantvā mahatāsi vādasaṅghāṭena paṭimukko āgato.\nĀvaṭṭosi kho tvaṁ, gahapati, samaṇena gotamena āvaṭṭaniyā māyāyā”ti.","en":"When he said this, the Jain Ñātika said to him:\n“You’re mad, householder! You’re a moron!\nYou said: ‘I’ll go and refute the ascetic Gotama’s doctrine.’ But you come back caught in the vast net of his doctrine.\nSuppose a man went to deliver a pair of testicles, but came back castrated. Or they went to deliver eyes, but came back blinded.\nIn the same way, you said: ‘I’ll go and refute the ascetic Gotama’s doctrine.’ But you come back caught in the vast net of his doctrine.\nYou’ve been converted by the ascetic Gotama’s conversion trick!”"}},{"id":"mn56:26","sourceIds":["mn56:26.1","mn56:26.2","mn56:26.3","mn56:26.4","mn56:26.5","mn56:26.6","mn56:26.7"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Bhaddikā, bhante, āvaṭṭanī māyā;\nkalyāṇī, bhante, āvaṭṭanī māyā;\npiyā me, bhante, ñātisālohitā imāya āvaṭṭaniyā āvaṭṭeyyuṁ; piyānampi me assa ñātisālohitānaṁ dīgharattaṁ hitāya sukhāya;\nsabbe cepi, bhante, khattiyā imāya āvaṭṭaniyā āvaṭṭeyyuṁ; sabbesānampissa khattiyānaṁ dīgharattaṁ hitāya sukhāya; sabbe cepi, bhante, brāhmaṇā …pe… vessā …pe… suddā imāya āvaṭṭaniyā āvaṭṭeyyuṁ; sabbesānampissa suddānaṁ dīgharattaṁ hitāya sukhāya;\nsadevako cepi, bhante, loko samārako sabrahmako sassamaṇabrāhmaṇī pajā sadevamanussā imāya āvaṭṭaniyā āvaṭṭeyyuṁ; sadevakassapissa lokassa samārakassa sabrahmakassa sassamaṇabrāhmaṇiyā pajāya sadevamanussāya dīgharattaṁ hitāya sukhāyāti.\nTena hi, bhante, upamaṁ te karissāmi.\nUpamāyapidhekacce viññū purisā bhāsitassa atthaṁ ājānanti.","en":"“Sir, this conversion trick is excellent.\nThis conversion trick is lovely!\nIf my loved ones—relatives and kin—were to be converted by this, it would be for their lasting welfare and happiness.\nIf all the aristocrats, brahmins, peasants, and menials were to be converted by this, it would be for their lasting welfare and happiness.\nIf the whole world—with its gods, Māras, and divinities, this population with its ascetics and brahmins, gods and humans—were to be converted by this, it would be for their lasting welfare and happiness.\nWell then, sir, I shall give you a simile.\nFor by means of a simile some sensible people understand the meaning of what is said."}},{"id":"mn56:27","sourceIds":["mn56:27.1","mn56:27.2","mn56:27.3","mn56:27.4","mn56:27.5","mn56:27.6","mn56:27.7","mn56:27.8","mn56:27.9","mn56:27.10","mn56:27.11","mn56:27.12","mn56:27.13","mn56:27.14","mn56:27.15","mn56:27.16","mn56:27.17","mn56:27.18","mn56:27.19","mn56:27.20","mn56:27.21","mn56:27.22","mn56:27.23","mn56:27.24","mn56:27.25"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Bhūtapubbaṁ, bhante, aññatarassa brāhmaṇassa jiṇṇassa vuḍḍhassa mahallakassa daharā māṇavikā pajāpatī ahosi gabbhinī upavijaññā.\nAtha kho, bhante, sā māṇavikā taṁ brāhmaṇaṁ etadavoca,\n‘gaccha tvaṁ, brāhmaṇa, āpaṇā makkaṭacchāpakaṁ kiṇitvā ānehi, yo me kumārakassa kīḷāpanako bhavissatī’ti.\nEvaṁ vutte, so brāhmaṇo taṁ māṇavikaṁ etadavoca:\n‘āgamehi tāva, bhoti, yāva vijāyati.\nSace tvaṁ, bhoti, kumārakaṁ vijāyissasi, tassā te ahaṁ āpaṇā makkaṭacchāpakaṁ kiṇitvā ānessāmi, yo te kumārakassa kīḷāpanako bhavissati.\nSace pana tvaṁ, bhoti, kumārikaṁ vijāyissasi, tassā te ahaṁ āpaṇā makkaṭacchāpikaṁ kiṇitvā ānessāmi, yā te kumārikāya kīḷāpanikā bhavissatī’ti.\nDutiyampi kho, bhante, sā māṇavikā …pe…\ntatiyampi kho, bhante, sā māṇavikā taṁ brāhmaṇaṁ etadavoca:\n‘gaccha tvaṁ, brāhmaṇa, āpaṇā makkaṭacchāpakaṁ kiṇitvā ānehi, yo me kumārakassa kīḷāpanako bhavissatī’ti.\nAtha kho, bhante, so brāhmaṇo tassā māṇavikāya sāratto paṭibaddhacitto āpaṇā makkaṭacchāpakaṁ kiṇitvā ānetvā taṁ māṇavikaṁ etadavoca:\n‘ayaṁ te, bhoti, āpaṇā makkaṭacchāpako kiṇitvā ānīto, yo te kumārakassa kīḷāpanako bhavissatī’ti.\nEvaṁ vutte, bhante, sā māṇavikā taṁ brāhmaṇaṁ etadavoca:\n‘gaccha tvaṁ, brāhmaṇa, imaṁ makkaṭacchāpakaṁ ādāya yena rattapāṇi rajakaputto tenupasaṅkama; upasaṅkamitvā rattapāṇiṁ rajakaputtaṁ evaṁ vadehi—\nicchāmahaṁ, samma rattapāṇi, imaṁ makkaṭacchāpakaṁ pītāvalepanaṁ nāma raṅgajātaṁ rajitaṁ ākoṭitapaccākoṭitaṁ ubhatobhāgavimaṭṭhan’ti.\nAtha kho, bhante, so brāhmaṇo tassā māṇavikāya sāratto paṭibaddhacitto taṁ makkaṭacchāpakaṁ ādāya yena rattapāṇi rajakaputto tenupasaṅkami; upasaṅkamitvā rattapāṇiṁ rajakaputtaṁ etadavoca:\n‘icchāmahaṁ, samma rattapāṇi, imaṁ makkaṭacchāpakaṁ pītāvalepanaṁ nāma raṅgajātaṁ rajitaṁ ākoṭitapaccākoṭitaṁ ubhatobhāgavimaṭṭhan’ti.\nEvaṁ vutte, bhante, rattapāṇi rajakaputto taṁ brāhmaṇaṁ etadavoca:\n‘ayaṁ kho te, bhante, makkaṭacchāpako raṅgakkhamo hi kho, no ākoṭanakkhamo, no vimajjanakkhamo’ti.\nEvameva kho, bhante, bālānaṁ nigaṇṭhānaṁ vādo raṅgakkhamo hi kho bālānaṁ no paṇḍitānaṁ, no anuyogakkhamo, no vimajjanakkhamo.\nAtha kho, bhante, so brāhmaṇo aparena samayena navaṁ dussayugaṁ ādāya yena rattapāṇi rajakaputto tenupasaṅkami; upasaṅkamitvā rattapāṇiṁ rajakaputtaṁ etadavoca:\n‘icchāmahaṁ, samma rattapāṇi, imaṁ navaṁ dussayugaṁ pītāvalepanaṁ nāma raṅgajātaṁ rajitaṁ ākoṭitapaccākoṭitaṁ ubhatobhāgavimaṭṭhan’ti.\nEvaṁ vutte, bhante, rattapāṇi rajakaputto taṁ brāhmaṇaṁ etadavoca:\n‘idaṁ kho te, bhante, navaṁ dussayugaṁ raṅgakkhamañceva ākoṭanakkhamañca vimajjanakkhamañcā’ti.\nEvameva kho, bhante, tassa bhagavato vādo arahato sammāsambuddhassa raṅgakkhamo ceva paṇḍitānaṁ no bālānaṁ, anuyogakkhamo ca vimajjanakkhamo cā”ti.","en":"Once upon a time, there was an old brahmin, elderly and senior. His wife was a young brahmin lady who was pregnant and about to give birth.\nThen she said to the brahmin,\n‘Go, brahmin, buy a baby monkey from the market and bring it back so it can be a playmate for my child.’\nWhen she said this, the brahmin said to her,\n‘Wait, my dear, until you give birth.\nIf your child is a boy, I’ll buy you a male monkey,\nbut if it’s a girl, I’ll buy a female monkey.’\nFor a second time …\nFor a third time she said to the brahmin,\n‘Go, brahmin, buy a baby monkey from the market and bring it back so it can be a playmate for my child.’\nThen that brahmin, because of his love for the brahmin lady, bought a male baby monkey at the market, brought it to her, and said,\n‘I’ve bought this male baby monkey for you so it can be a playmate for your child.’\nWhen he said this, she said to him,\n‘Go, brahmin, take this monkey to Rattapāṇi the dyer and say,\n“Worthy Rattapāṇi, I wish to have this monkey dyed the color of yellow greasepaint, pounded and re-pounded, and pressed on both sides.”’\nThen that brahmin, because of his love for the brahmin lady, took the monkey to Rattapāṇi the dyer and said,\n‘Worthy Rattapāṇi, I wish to have this monkey dyed the color of yellow greasepaint, pounded and re-pounded, and pressed on both sides.’\nWhen he said this, Rattapāṇi said to him,\n‘Sir, this monkey can endure a dying, but not a pounding or a pressing.’\nIn the same way, the doctrine of the foolish Jains looks fine initially—for fools, not for the astute—but can’t endure being scrutinized or pressed.\nThen some time later that brahmin took a new pair of garments to Rattapāṇi the dyer and said,\n‘Worthy Rattapāṇi, I wish to have this new pair of garments dyed the color of yellow greasepaint, pounded and re-pounded, and pressed on both sides.’\nWhen he said this, Rattapāṇi said to him,\n‘Sir, this pair of garments can endure a dying, a pounding, and a pressing.’\nIn the same way, the doctrine of the Buddha looks fine initially—for the astute, not for fools—and it can endure being scrutinized and pressed.”"}},{"id":"mn56:28","sourceIds":["mn56:28.1","mn56:28.2","mn56:28.3"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Sarājikā kho, gahapati, parisā evaṁ jānāti:\n‘upāli gahapati nigaṇṭhassa nāṭaputtassa sāvako’ti.\nKassa taṁ, gahapati, sāvakaṁ dhāremā”ti?","en":"“Householder, the king and his retinue know you as\na disciple of the Jain Ñātika.\nWhose disciple should we remember you as?”"}},{"id":"mn56:29","sourceIds":["mn56:29.1","mn56:29.2","mn56:29.3","mn56:29.4","mn56:29.5","mn56:29.6","mn56:29.7","mn56:29.8","mn56:29.9","mn56:29.10","mn56:29.11","mn56:29.12","mn56:29.13","mn56:29.14","mn56:29.15","mn56:29.16","mn56:29.17","mn56:29.18","mn56:29.19","mn56:29.20","mn56:29.21","mn56:29.22","mn56:29.23","mn56:29.24","mn56:29.25","mn56:29.26","mn56:29.27","mn56:29.28","mn56:29.29","mn56:29.30","mn56:29.31","mn56:29.32","mn56:29.33","mn56:29.34","mn56:29.35","mn56:29.36","mn56:29.37","mn56:29.38","mn56:29.39","mn56:29.40","mn56:29.41","mn56:29.42","mn56:29.43","mn56:29.44","mn56:29.45","mn56:29.46","mn56:29.47","mn56:29.48","mn56:29.49","mn56:29.50","mn56:29.51","mn56:29.52","mn56:29.53","mn56:29.54","mn56:29.55","mn56:29.56","mn56:29.57","mn56:29.58","mn56:29.59","mn56:29.60","mn56:29.61","mn56:29.62"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Evaṁ vutte, upāli gahapati uṭṭhāyāsanā ekaṁsaṁ uttarāsaṅgaṁ karitvā yena bhagavā tenañjaliṁ paṇāmetvā nigaṇṭhaṁ nāṭaputtaṁ etadavoca:\n“tena hi, bhante, suṇohi yassāhaṁ sāvako”ti:\n“Dhīrassa vigatamohassa,\nPabhinnakhīlassa vijitavijayassa;\nAnīghassa susamacittassa,\nVuddhasīlassa sādhupaññassa;\nVesamantarassa vimalassa,\nBhagavato tassa sāvakohamasmi.\nAkathaṅkathissa tusitassa,\nVantalokāmisassa muditassa;\nKatasamaṇassa manujassa,\nAntimasārīrassa narassa;\nAnopamassa virajassa,\nBhagavato tassa sāvakohamasmi.\nAsaṁsayassa kusalassa,\nVenayikassa sārathivarassa;\nAnuttarassa ruciradhammassa,\nNikkaṅkhassa pabhāsakassa;\nMānacchidassa vīrassa,\nBhagavato tassa sāvakohamasmi.\nNisabhassa appameyyassa,\nGambhīrassa monapattassa;\nKhemaṅkarassa vedassa,\nDhammaṭṭhassa saṁvutattassa;\nSaṅgātigassa muttassa,\nBhagavato tassa sāvakohamasmi.\nNāgassa pantasenassa,\nKhīṇasaṁyojanassa muttassa;\nPaṭimantakassa dhonassa,\nPannadhajassa vītarāgassa;\nDantassa nippapañcassa,\nBhagavato tassa sāvakohamasmi.\nIsisattamassa akuhassa,\nTevijjassa brahmapattassa;\nNhātakassa padakassa,\nPassaddhassa viditavedassa;\nPurindadassa sakkassa,\nBhagavato tassa sāvakohamasmi.\nAriyassa bhāvitattassa,\nPattipattassa veyyākaraṇassa;\nSatimato vipassissa,\nAnabhinatassa no apanatassa;\nAnejassa vasippattassa,\nBhagavato tassa sāvakohamasmi.\nSamuggatassa jhāyissa,\nAnanugatantarassa suddhassa;\nAsitassa hitassa,\nPavivittassa aggappattassa;\nTiṇṇassa tārayantassa,\nBhagavato tassa sāvakohamasmi.\nSantassa bhūripaññassa,\nMahāpaññassa vītalobhassa;\nTathāgatassa sugatassa,\nAppaṭipuggalassa asamassa;\nVisāradassa nipuṇassa,\nBhagavato tassa sāvakohamasmi.\nTaṇhacchidassa buddhassa,\nVītadhūmassa anupalittassa;\nĀhuneyyassa yakkhassa,\nUttamapuggalassa atulassa;\nMahato yasaggapattassa,\nBhagavato tassa sāvakohamasmī”ti.","en":"When he had spoken, the householder Upāli rose from his seat, arranged his robe over one shoulder, raised his cupped palms in the direction of the Buddha, and said to the Jain Ñātika,\n“Well then, sir, hear whose disciple I am:\nThe attentive one, free of delusion,\nwith hard-heartedness dissolved, victor in battle;\nhe’s untroubled and very even-minded,\nwith the virtue of an elder and the wisdom of a saint,\nimmaculate in the midst of it all:\nhe is the Buddha, and I am his disciple.\nHe has no indecision, he’s content,\njoyful, he has spat out the world’s bait;\nhe has completed the ascetic’s task as a man,\na man who bears his final body;\nhe’s beyond compare, he’s stainless:\nhe is the Buddha, and I am his disciple.\nHe’s free of doubt, he’s skillful,\nhe’s a trainer, an excellent charioteer;\nsupreme, with brilliant qualities,\nconfident, his light shines forth;\nhe has cut off conceit, he’s a hero:\nhe is the Buddha, and I am his disciple.\nThe boss bull, immeasurable,\nprofound, sagacious;\nhe is the maker of sanctuary, knowledgeable,\nfirm in principle and restrained;\nhe has slipped his chains and is liberated:\nhe is the Buddha, and I am his disciple.\nHe’s a giant, living remotely,\nhe’s ended the fetters and is liberated;\nhe’s skilled in debate and cleansed,\nwith banner lowered, desireless;\nhe’s tamed, and doesn’t proliferate:\nhe is the Buddha, and I am his disciple.\nHe is the seventh seer, free of deceit,\nwith three knowledges, he has attained to divinity,\nhe has bathed, he knows philology,\nhe’s tranquil, he understands what is known;\nhe is Sakka the Able, Purindada the Firstgiver:\nhe is the Buddha, and I am his disciple.\nThe Noble One, evolved,\nhe has attained the goal and explains it;\nhe is mindful, discerning,\nneither leaning forward nor pulling back,\nhe’s unstirred, attained to mastery:\nhe is the Buddha, and I am his disciple.\nTranscendent, he practices absorption,\nno inner thoughts arising, he is pure,\nindependent and fearless;\nsecluded, he has reached the peak,\ncrossed over, he helps others across:\nhe is the Buddha, and I am his disciple.\nHe’s peaceful, his wisdom is vast,\nwith great wisdom, he’s free of greed;\nhe is the Realized One, the Holy One,\nunrivaled, unequaled,\nself-assured, and subtle:\nhe is the Buddha, and I am his disciple.\nHe has cut off craving and is awakened,\nfree of fuming, unsullied;\na mighty spirit worthy of offerings,\nbest of men, inestimable,\ngrand, he has reached the peak of glory:\nhe is the Buddha, and I am his disciple.”"}},{"id":"mn56:30","sourceIds":["mn56:30.1","mn56:30.2","mn56:30.3","mn56:30.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Kadā saññūḷhā pana te, gahapati, ime samaṇassa gotamassa vaṇṇā”ti?\n“Seyyathāpi, bhante, nānāpupphānaṁ mahāpuppharāsi, tamenaṁ dakkho mālākāro vā mālākārantevāsī vā vicittaṁ mālaṁ gantheyya;\nevameva kho, bhante, so bhagavā anekavaṇṇo anekasatavaṇṇo.\nKo hi, bhante, vaṇṇārahassa vaṇṇaṁ na karissatī”ti?","en":"“But when did you compose these praises of the ascetic Gotama’s beautiful qualities, householder?”\n“Sir, suppose there was a large heap of many different flowers. A deft garland-maker or their apprentice could tie them into a colorful garland.\nIn the same way, the Buddha has many beautiful qualities to praise, many hundreds of such qualities.\nWho, sir, would not praise the praiseworthy?”"}},{"id":"mn56:31","sourceIds":["mn56:31.1","mn56:31.2"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Atha kho nigaṇṭhassa nāṭaputtassa bhagavato sakkāraṁ asahamānassa tattheva uṇhaṁ lohitaṁ mukhato uggacchīti.\nUpālisuttaṁ niṭṭhitaṁ chaṭṭhaṁ.","en":"Unable to bear this honor paid to the Buddha, the Jain Ñātika spewed hot blood from his mouth there and then."}}]}],"sourceRevision":"afdafa92450cfe7573b280da50382888323666d2","sourceUrl":"https://suttacentral.net/mn56/en/sujato","licence":"CC0 1.0","licenceUrl":"https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/","editionNote":"Full supplied source file; inherited abbreviations are preserved. Not a reconstructed expansion of every repetition. No Malay or Mandarin translation is implied."}