{"id":"pli-tv-bi-vb-np4","title":"Asking for something else","languageCodes":["en","pi"],"languageNotes":{"en":"Bhikkhu Brahmāli · CC0","pi":"Mahāsaṅgīti edition · SuttaCentral"},"chapters":[{"id":"pli-tv-bi-vb-np4","title":"Asking for something else","units":[{"id":"pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:0","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:0.1","pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:0.2","pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:0.3","pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:0.4","pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:0.5"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Theravāda Vinaya\nBhikkhunivibhaṅga\nNissaggiyakaṇḍa\nPattavagga\n4. Aññaviññāpanasikkhāpada","en":"Theravāda Collection on Monastic Law\nThe Nuns’ Analysis\nThe chapter on relinquishment\nThe subchapter on almsbowls\nAsking for something else"}},{"id":"pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:1","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:1.0","pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:1.1","pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:1.2","pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:1.3","pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:1.4","pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:1.5","pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:1.6","pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:1.7","pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:1.8","pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:1.9","pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:1.10","pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:1.11","pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:1.12","pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:1.13","pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:1.14","pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:1.15","pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:1.16","pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:1.17","pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:1.18","pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:1.19","pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:1.20","pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:1.21","pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:1.22","pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:1.23","pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:1.24","pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:1.25","pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:1.26"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"Origin story\nAt one time when the Buddha was staying at Sāvatthī in Anāthapiṇḍika’s Monastery,\nthe nun Thullanandā was sick.\nA lay follower went to her and asked,\n“Venerable, what’s wrong with you? What may I get you?”\n“I need ghee.”\nThat lay follower then brought back from a shop a kahāpaṇa’s worth of ghee and gave it to Thullanandā.\nThullanandā said,\n“I don’t need ghee;\nI need oil.”\nThe lay follower returned to the shopkeeper and said,\n“It seems the nun doesn’t need ghee, but oil.\nHere’s your ghee; please give me oil.”\n“Sir, if we were to take back goods that have been sold, when would our goods be sold?\nWhen ghee is bought, ghee is taken away. Buying oil, you receive that, and you’ll take that away.”\nThat lay follower then complained and criticized her,\n“How could Venerable Thullanandā ask for one thing and then for something else?”\nThe nuns heard the complaints of that lay follower,\nand the nuns of few desires complained and criticized her …\nThose nuns then told the monks,\nwho in turn told the Buddha. Soon afterwards he had the Sangha gathered and questioned the monks:\n“Is it true, monks, that the nun Thullanandā did this?”\n“It’s true, sir.”\nThe Buddha rebuked her …\n“How could the nun Thullanandā ask for one thing and then for something else?\nThis will affect people’s confidence …” …\n“And, monks, the nuns should recite this training rule like this:","pi":"Tena samayena buddho bhagavā sāvatthiyaṁ viharati jetavane anāthapiṇḍikassa ārāme.\nTena kho pana samayena thullanandā bhikkhunī gilānā hoti.\nAtha kho aññataro upāsako yena thullanandā bhikkhunī tenupasaṅkami; upasaṅkamitvā thullanandaṁ bhikkhuniṁ etadavoca—\n“kiṁ te, ayye, aphāsu, kiṁ āharīyatū”ti?\n“Sappinā me, āvuso, attho”ti.\nAtha kho so upāsako aññatarassa āpaṇikassa gharā kahāpaṇassa sappiṁ āharitvā thullanandāya bhikkhuniyā adāsi.\nThullanandā bhikkhunī evamāha—\n“na me, āvuso, sappinā attho;\ntelena me attho”ti.\nAtha kho so upāsako yena so āpaṇiko tenupasaṅkami; upasaṅkamitvā taṁ āpaṇikaṁ etadavoca—\n“na kirāyyo, ayyāya sappinā attho, telena attho.\nHanda te sappiṁ, telaṁ me dehī”ti.\n“Sace mayaṁ, ayyo, vikkītaṁ bhaṇḍaṁ puna ādiyissāma, kadā amhākaṁ bhaṇḍaṁ vikkāyissati;\nsappissa kayena sappi haṭaṁ, telassa kayaṁ āhara, telaṁ harissasī”ti.\nAtha kho so upāsako ujjhāyati khiyyati vipāceti—\n“kathañhi nāma ayyā thullanandā aññaṁ viññāpetvā aññaṁ viññāpessatī”ti.\nAssosuṁ kho bhikkhuniyo tassa upāsakassa ujjhāyantassa khiyyantassa vipācentassa.\nYā tā bhikkhuniyo appicchā …pe… tā ujjhāyanti khiyyanti vipācenti …pe…\natha kho tā bhikkhuniyo bhikkhūnaṁ etamatthaṁ ārocesuṁ.\nBhikkhū bhagavato etamatthaṁ ārocesuṁ …pe…\n“saccaṁ kira, bhikkhave, thullanandā bhikkhunī aññaṁ viññāpetvā aññaṁ viññāpetī”ti?\n“Saccaṁ, bhagavā”ti.\nVigarahi buddho bhagavā …pe…\nkathañhi nāma, bhikkhave, thullanandā bhikkhunī aññaṁ viññāpetvā aññaṁ viññāpessati.\nNetaṁ, bhikkhave, appasannānaṁ vā pasādāya …pe…\nevañca pana, bhikkhave, bhikkhuniyo imaṁ sikkhāpadaṁ uddisantu—"}},{"id":"pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:1.27","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:1.27.0","pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:1.27.1"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"Final ruling\n‘If a nun asks for one thing and then for something else, she commits an offense entailing relinquishment and confession.’”","pi":"“Yā pana bhikkhunī aññaṁ viññāpetvā aññaṁ viññāpeyya, nissaggiyaṁ pācittiyan”ti."}},{"id":"pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:2.1","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:2.1.0","pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:2.1.1","pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:2.1.2","pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:2.1.3","pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:2.1.4","pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:2.1.5","pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:2.1.6","pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:2.1.7","pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:2.1.8","pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:2.1.9","pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:2.1.10","pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:2.1.11","pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:2.1.12","pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:2.1.13","pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:2.1.14","pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:2.1.15","pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:2.1.16"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"Definitions\nA:\nwhoever …\nNun:\n… The nun who has been given the full ordination in unanimity by both Sanghas through a legal procedure consisting of one motion and three announcements that is irreversible and fit to stand—this sort of nun is meant in this case.\nAsks for one thing:\nwhatever she asks for.\nThen for something else:\napart from that thing, if she asks for something else, then for the effort there is an act of wrong conduct.\nWhen she gets it, it becomes subject to relinquishment.\nIt should be relinquished to a sangha, a group, or an individual nun.\n“And, monks, it should be relinquished like this. …”\n(To be expanded as in Bi NP 1:2.1.21–2.1.43, with appropriate substitutions.)\n“Venerables, this thing, which I asked for after asking for something else, is to be relinquished. I relinquish it to the Sangha.” …\n“the Sangha should give …”\n“you should give …”\n“I give this back to you.”","pi":"Yā panāti\nyā yādisā …pe…\nbhikkhunīti\n…pe… ayaṁ imasmiṁ atthe adhippetā bhikkhunīti.\nAññaṁ viññāpetvāti\nyaṁ kiñci viññāpetvā.\nAññaṁ viññāpeyyāti\ntaṁ ṭhapetvā aññaṁ viññāpeti, payoge dukkaṭaṁ.\nPaṭilābhena nissaggiyaṁ hoti.\nNissajjitabbaṁ saṅghassa vā gaṇassa vā ekabhikkhuniyā vā.\nEvañca pana, bhikkhave, nissajjitabbaṁ.\n…pe…\n“idaṁ me, ayye, aññaṁ viññāpetvā aññaṁ viññāpitaṁ nissaggiyaṁ, imāhaṁ saṅghassa nissajjāmī”ti …pe…\ndadeyyā”ti …pe…\ndadeyyun”ti …pe…\nayyāya dammī”ti."}},{"id":"pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:2.2","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:2.2.0","pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:2.2.1","pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:2.2.2","pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:2.2.3","pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:2.2.4","pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:2.2.5","pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:2.2.6"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"Permutations\nIf it is something else and she perceives it as such, and she asks for that, she commits an offense entailing relinquishment and confession.\nIf it is something else, but she is unsure of it, and she asks for that, she commits an offense entailing relinquishment and confession.\nIf it is something else, but she does not perceive it as such, and she asks for that, she commits an offense entailing relinquishment and confession.\nIf it is not something else, but she perceives it as such, and she asks for that, she commits an offense of wrong conduct.\nIf it is not something else, but she is unsure of it, and she asks for that, she commits an offense of wrong conduct.\nIf it is not something else, and she does not perceive it as such, and she asks for that, there is no offense.","pi":"Aññe aññasaññā aññaṁ viññāpeti, nissaggiyaṁ pācittiyaṁ.\nAññe vematikā aññaṁ viññāpeti, nissaggiyaṁ pācittiyaṁ.\nAññe anaññasaññā aññaṁ viññāpeti, nissaggiyaṁ pācittiyaṁ.\nAnaññe aññasaññā anaññaṁ viññāpeti, āpatti dukkaṭassa.\nAnaññe vematikā anaññaṁ viññāpeti, āpatti dukkaṭassa.\nAnaññe anaññasaññā, anāpatti."}},{"id":"pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:2.3","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:2.3.0","pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:2.3.1","pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:2.3.2","pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:2.3.3","pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:2.3.4","pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:2.3.5","pli-tv-bi-vb-np4:2.3.6"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"Non-offenses\nThere is no offense:\nif she asks for both at the same time;\nif she can show a benefit in asking;\nif she is insane;\nif she is the first offender.\nThe fourth training rule is finished.","pi":"Anāpatti—\ntaññeva viññāpeti, aññañca viññāpeti,\nānisaṁsaṁ dassetvā viññāpeti,\nummattikāya,\nādikammikāyāti.\nCatutthasikkhāpadaṁ niṭṭhitaṁ."}}]}],"sourceRevision":"afdafa92450cfe7573b280da50382888323666d2","sourceUrl":"https://suttacentral.net/pli-tv-bi-vb-np4/en/brahmali","licence":"CC0 1.0","licenceUrl":"https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/","editionNote":"Full supplied source file; inherited abbreviations are preserved. Not a reconstructed expansion of every repetition. No Malay or Mandarin translation is implied."}