{"id":"pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36","title":"Socializing with a householder","languageCodes":["en","pi"],"languageNotes":{"en":"Bhikkhu Brahmāli · CC0","pi":"Mahāsaṅgīti edition · SuttaCentral"},"chapters":[{"id":"pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36","title":"Socializing with a householder","units":[{"id":"pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:0","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:0.1","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:0.2","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:0.3","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:0.4","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:0.5"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Theravāda Vinaya\nBhikkhunivibhaṅga\nPācittiyakaṇḍa\nTuvaṭṭavagga\n36. Saṁsaṭṭhasikkhāpada","en":"Theravāda Collection on Monastic Law\nThe Nuns’ Analysis\nThe chapter on offenses entailing confession\nThe subchapter on lying down\nSocializing with a householder"}},{"id":"pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:1","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:1.0","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:1.1","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:1.2","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:1.3","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:1.4","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:1.5","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:1.6","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:1.7","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:1.8","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:1.9","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:1.10"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"Origin story\nAt one time when the Buddha was staying at Sāvatthī in Anāthapiṇḍika’s Monastery,\nthe nun Caṇḍakāḷī was socializing with householders and their offspring.\nThe nuns of few desires complained and criticized her,\n“How can Venerable Caṇḍakāḷī socialize with householders and their offspring?” …\n“Is it true, monks, that the nun Caṇḍakāḷī does this?”\n“It’s true, sir.”\nThe Buddha rebuked her …\n“How can the nun Caṇḍakāḷī do this?\nThis will affect people’s confidence …” …\n“And, monks, the nuns should recite this training rule like this:","pi":"Tena samayena buddho bhagavā sāvatthiyaṁ viharati jetavane anāthapiṇḍikassa ārāme.\nTena kho pana samayena caṇḍakāḷī bhikkhunī saṁsaṭṭhā viharati gahapatināpi gahapatiputtenapi.\nYā tā bhikkhuniyo appicchā …pe… tā ujjhāyanti khiyyanti vipācenti—\n“kathañhi nāma ayyā caṇḍakāḷī saṁsaṭṭhā viharissati gahapatināpi gahapatiputtenapī”ti …pe…\n“saccaṁ kira, bhikkhave, caṇḍakāḷī bhikkhunī saṁsaṭṭhā viharati gahapatināpi gahapatiputtenapī”ti?\n“Saccaṁ, bhagavā”ti.\nVigarahi buddho bhagavā …pe…\nkathañhi nāma, bhikkhave, caṇḍakāḷī bhikkhunī saṁsaṭṭhā viharissati gahapatināpi gahapatiputtenapi.\nNetaṁ, bhikkhave, appasannānaṁ vā pasādāya …pe…\nevañca pana, bhikkhave, bhikkhuniyo imaṁ sikkhāpadaṁ uddisantu—"}},{"id":"pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:1.11","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:1.11.0","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:1.11.1"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"Final ruling\n‘If a nun is socializing with a householder or a householder’s offspring, the nuns should correct her like this:","pi":"“Yā pana bhikkhunī saṁsaṭṭhā vihareyya gahapatinā vā gahapatiputtena vā sā bhikkhunī bhikkhunīhi evamassa vacanīyā—"}},{"id":"pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:1-from-pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36-1.12","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:1.12","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:1.13","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:1.14"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"‘māyye, saṁsaṭṭhā vihari gahapatināpi gahapatiputtenapi. Viviccāyye; vivekaññeva bhaginiyā saṅgho vaṇṇetī’ti.\nEvañca sā bhikkhunī bhikkhunīhi vuccamānā tatheva paggaṇheyya, sā bhikkhunī bhikkhunīhi yāvatatiyaṁ samanubhāsitabbā tassa paṭinissaggāya.\nYāvatatiyañce samanubhāsīyamānā taṁ paṭinissajjeyya, iccetaṁ kusalaṁ; no ce paṭinissajjeyya, pācittiyan”ti.","en":"“Venerable, don’t socialize with householders or householders’ offspring. Be secluded, venerable. The Sangha praises seclusion for the sisters.”\nIf that nun continues as before, the nuns should press her up to three times to make her stop.\nIf she then stops, all is well. If she does not stop, she commits an offense entailing confession.’”"}},{"id":"pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.1","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.1.0","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.1.1","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.1.2","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.1.3","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.1.4","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.1.5","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.1.6","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.1.7","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.1.8","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.1.9","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.1.10","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.1.11","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.1.12","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.1.13","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.1.14","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.1.15","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.1.16","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.1.17","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.1.18","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.1.19","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.1.20","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.1.21","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.1.22","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.1.23","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.1.24","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.1.25","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.1.26","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.1.27","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.1.28","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.1.29","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.1.30","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.1.31","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.1.32","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.1.33","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.1.34","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.1.35","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.1.36","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.1.37","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.1.38","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.1.39","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.1.40","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.1.41","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.1.42","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.1.43","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.1.44","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.1.45","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.1.46","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.1.47","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.1.48","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.1.49","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.1.50","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.1.51"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"Definitions\nA:\nwhoever …\nNun:\n… The nun who has been given the full ordination in unanimity by both Sanghas through a legal procedure consisting of one motion and three announcements that is irreversible and fit to stand—this sort of nun is meant in this case.\nSocializing:\nshe socializes with improper bodily and verbal actions.\nA householder:\nanyone who lives at home.\nA householder’s offspring:\nwhoever is an offspring or a sibling.\nHer:\nthe nun who is socializing.\nThe nuns:\nother nuns who see it or hear about it. They should correct her like this:\n“Venerable, don’t socialize with householders or householders’ offspring.\nBe secluded, venerable.\nThe Sangha praises seclusion for the sisters.”\nAnd they should correct her a second\nand a third time.\nIf she stops, all is well.\nIf she does not stop, she commits an offense of wrong conduct.\nIf those who hear about it do not say anything, they commit an offense of wrong conduct.\nThat nun, even if she has to be pulled into the Sangha, should be corrected like this:\n“Venerable, don’t socialize with householders or householders’ offspring.\nBe secluded, venerable.\nThe Sangha praises seclusion for the sisters.”\nThey should correct her a second\nand a third time.\nIf she stops, all is well.\nIf she does not stop, she commits an offense of wrong conduct.\nShould press her:\n“And, monks, she should be pressed like this.\nA competent and capable nun should inform the Sangha:\n‘Please, venerables, I ask the Sangha to listen.\nThe nun so-and-so is socializing with householders and their offspring.\nAnd she keeps on doing it.\nIf the Sangha is ready, it should press the nun so-and-so to make her stop.\nThis is the motion.\nPlease, venerables, I ask the Sangha to listen.\nThe nun so-and-so is socializing with householders and their offspring.\nAnd she keeps on doing it.\nThe Sangha presses the nun so-and-so to make her stop.\nAny nun who approves of pressing the nun so-and-so to make her stop should remain silent.\nAny nun who doesn’t approve should speak up.\nFor the second time, I speak on this matter. …\nFor the third time, I speak on this matter. …\nThe Sangha has pressed the nun so-and-so to make her stop.\nThe Sangha approves and is therefore silent. I will remember it thus.’”\nAfter the motion, she commits an offense of wrong conduct.\nAfter each of the first two announcements, she commits an offense of wrong conduct.\nWhen the last announcement is finished, she commits an offense entailing confession.","pi":"Yā panāti\nyā yādisā …pe…\nbhikkhunīti\n…pe… ayaṁ imasmiṁ atthe adhippetā bhikkhunīti.\nSaṁsaṭṭhā nāma\nananulomikena kāyikavācasikena saṁsaṭṭhā.\nGahapati nāma\nyo koci agāraṁ ajjhāvasati.\nGahapatiputto nāma\nye keci puttabhātaro.\nSā bhikkhunīti\nyā sā saṁsaṭṭhā bhikkhunī.\nBhikkhunīhīti\naññāhi bhikkhunīhi. Yā passanti yā suṇanti tāhi vattabbā—\n“māyye, saṁsaṭṭhā vihari gahapatināpi gahapatiputtenapi.\nViviccāyye;\nvivekaññeva bhaginiyā saṅgho vaṇṇetī”ti.\nDutiyampi vattabbā.\nTatiyampi vattabbā.\nSace paṭinissajjati, iccetaṁ kusalaṁ;\nno ce paṭinissajjati, āpatti dukkaṭassa.\nSutvā na vadanti, āpatti dukkaṭassa.\nSā bhikkhunī saṅghamajjhampi ākaḍḍhitvā vattabbā—\n“māyye, saṁsaṭṭhā vihari gahapatināpi gahapatiputtenapi.\nViviccāyye;\nvivekaññeva bhaginiyā saṅgho vaṇṇetī”ti.\nDutiyampi vattabbā.\nTatiyampi vattabbā.\nSace paṭinissajjati, iccetaṁ kusalaṁ;\nno ce paṭinissajjati, āpatti dukkaṭassa.\nSā bhikkhunī samanubhāsitabbā.\n“Evañca pana, bhikkhave, samanubhāsitabbā.\nByattāya bhikkhuniyā paṭibalāya saṅgho ñāpetabbo—\n‘Suṇātu me, ayye, saṅgho.\nAyaṁ itthannāmā bhikkhunī saṁsaṭṭhā viharati gahapatināpi gahapatiputtenapi.\nSā taṁ vatthuṁ na paṭinissajjati.\nYadi saṅghassa pattakallaṁ, saṅgho itthannāmaṁ bhikkhuniṁ samanubhāseyya tassa vatthussa paṭinissaggāya.\nEsā ñatti.\nSuṇātu me, ayye, saṅgho.\nAyaṁ itthannāmā bhikkhunī saṁsaṭṭhā viharati gahapatināpi gahapatiputtenapi.\nSā taṁ vatthuṁ na paṭinissajjati.\nSaṅgho itthannāmaṁ bhikkhuniṁ samanubhāsati tassa vatthussa paṭinissaggāya.\nYassā ayyāya khamati itthannāmāya bhikkhuniyā samanubhāsanā tassa vatthussa paṭinissaggāya, sā tuṇhassa;\nyassā nakkhamati, sā bhāseyya.\nDutiyampi etamatthaṁ vadāmi …pe…\ntatiyampi etamatthaṁ vadāmi …pe….\nSamanubhaṭṭhā saṅghena itthannāmā bhikkhunī tassa vatthussa paṭinissaggāya;\nkhamati saṅghassa, tasmā tuṇhī, evametaṁ dhārayāmī’”ti.\nÑattiyā dukkaṭaṁ.\nDvīhi kammavācāhi dukkaṭā.\nKammavācāpariyosāne āpatti pācittiyassa."}},{"id":"pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.2","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.2.0","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.2.1","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.2.2","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.2.3","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.2.4","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.2.5","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.2.6"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"Permutations\nIf it is a legitimate legal procedure, and she perceives it as such, and she does not stop, she commits an offense entailing confession.\nIf it is a legitimate legal procedure, but she is unsure of it, and she does not stop, she commits an offense entailing confession.\nIf it is a legitimate legal procedure, but she perceives it as illegitimate, and she does not stop, she commits an offense entailing confession.\nIf it is an illegitimate legal procedure, but she perceives it as legitimate, she commits an offense of wrong conduct.\nIf it is an illegitimate legal procedure, but she is unsure of it, she commits an offense of wrong conduct.\nIf it is an illegitimate legal procedure, and she perceives it as such, she commits an offense of wrong conduct.","pi":"Dhammakamme dhammakammasaññā na paṭinissajjati, āpatti pācittiyassa.\nDhammakamme vematikā na paṭinissajjati, āpatti pācittiyassa.\nDhammakamme adhammakammasaññā na paṭinissajjati, āpatti pācittiyassa.\nAdhammakamme dhammakammasaññā, āpatti dukkaṭassa.\nAdhammakamme vematikā, āpatti dukkaṭassa.\nAdhammakamme adhammakammasaññā, āpatti dukkaṭassa."}},{"id":"pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.3","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.3.0","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.3.1","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.3.2","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.3.3","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.3.4","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.3.5","pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36:2.3.6"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"Non-offenses\nThere is no offense:\nif she has not been pressed;\nif she stops;\nif she is insane;\nif she is the first offender.\nThe sixth training rule is finished.","pi":"Anāpatti—\nasamanubhāsantiyā,\npaṭinissajjantiyā,\nummattikāya,\nādikammikāyāti.\nChaṭṭhasikkhāpadaṁ niṭṭhitaṁ."}}]}],"sourceRevision":"afdafa92450cfe7573b280da50382888323666d2","sourceUrl":"https://suttacentral.net/pli-tv-bi-vb-pc36/en/brahmali","licence":"CC0 1.0","licenceUrl":"https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/","editionNote":"Full supplied source file; inherited abbreviations are preserved. Not a reconstructed expansion of every repetition. No Malay or Mandarin translation is implied."}