{"id":"pli-tv-bi-vb-pd2-8","title":"2–8. Asking for oil … for honey … for syrup … for fish … for meat … for milk … for curd","languageCodes":["en","pi"],"languageNotes":{"en":"Bhikkhu Brahmāli · CC0","pi":"Mahāsaṅgīti edition · SuttaCentral"},"chapters":[{"id":"pli-tv-bi-vb-pd2-8","title":"2–8. Asking for oil … for honey … for syrup … for fish … for meat … for milk … for curd","units":[{"id":"pli-tv-bi-vb-pd2:0","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bi-vb-pd2:0.1","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd2:0.2","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd2:0.3","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd2:0.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Theravāda Vinaya\nBhikkhunivibhaṅga\nPāṭidesanīyakaṇḍa\n2–8. Tela-madhu-phāṇita-maccha-maṁsa-khīra-dadhiviññāpanasikkhāpada","en":"Theravāda Collection on Monastic Law\nThe Nuns’ Analysis\nThe chapter on offenses entailing acknowledgment\n2–8. Asking for oil … for honey … for syrup … for fish … for meat … for milk … for curd"}},{"id":"pli-tv-bi-vb-pd2:1.1.0","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bi-vb-pd2:1.1.0.1","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd2:1.1.0.2"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"Origin story\nFirst substory"}},{"id":"pli-tv-bi-vb-pd2:1.1","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bi-vb-pd2:1.1.1","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd2:1.1.2","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd2:1.1.3","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd2:1.1.4","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd2:1.1.5","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd2:1.1.6","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd2:1.1.7","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd2:1.1.8","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd2:1.1.9","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd2:1.1.10","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd2:1.1.11","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd2:1.1.12","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd2:1.1.13","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd2:1.1.14","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd2:1.1.15","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd2:1.1.16","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd2:1.1.17","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd2:1.1.18","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd2:1.1.19","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd2:1.1.20"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Tena samayena buddho bhagavā sāvatthiyaṁ viharati jetavane anāthapiṇḍikassa ārāme.\nTena kho pana samayena chabbaggiyā bhikkhuniyo telaṁ viññāpetvā bhuñjanti.\n…pe… madhuṁ viññāpetvā bhuñjanti.\n…pe… phāṇitaṁ viññāpetvā bhuñjanti.\n…pe… macchaṁ viññāpetvā bhuñjanti.\n…pe… maṁsaṁ viññāpetvā bhuñjanti.\n…pe… khīraṁ viññāpetvā bhuñjanti.\n…pe… dadhiṁ viññāpetvā bhuñjanti.\nManussā ujjhāyanti khiyyanti vipācenti—\n“kathañhi nāma bhikkhuniyo dadhiṁ viññāpetvā bhuñjissanti.\nKassa sampannaṁ na manāpaṁ, kassa sāduṁ na ruccatī”ti.\nAssosuṁ kho bhikkhuniyo tesaṁ manussānaṁ ujjhāyantānaṁ khiyyantānaṁ vipācentānaṁ.\nYā tā bhikkhuniyo appicchā … pe … tā ujjhāyanti khiyyanti vipācenti—\n“kathañhi nāma chabbaggiyā bhikkhuniyo dadhiṁ viññāpetvā bhuñjissantī”ti … pe …\n“saccaṁ kira, bhikkhave, chabbaggiyā bhikkhuniyo dadhiṁ viññāpetvā bhuñjantī”ti?\n“Saccaṁ, bhagavā”ti.\nVigarahi buddho bhagavā … pe …\nkathañhi nāma, bhikkhave, chabbaggiyā bhikkhuniyo dadhiṁ viññāpetvā bhuñjissanti.\nNetaṁ, bhikkhave, appasannānaṁ vā pasādāya … pe …\nevañca pana, bhikkhave, bhikkhuniyo imaṁ sikkhāpadaṁ uddisantu—","en":"At one time when the Buddha was staying at Sāvatthī in Anāthapiṇḍika’s Monastery,\nthe nuns from the group of six were eating oil that they had asked for.\n… were eating honey that they had asked for.\n… were eating syrup that they had asked for.\n… were eating fish that they had asked for.\n… were eating meat that they had asked for.\n… were drinking milk that they had asked for.\n… were eating curd that they had asked for.\nPeople complained and criticized them,\n“How can nuns eat curd that they have asked for?\nWho doesn’t like nice food? Who doesn’t prefer tasty food?”\nThe nuns heard the complaints of those people.\nThe nuns of few desires complained and criticized them,\n“How can the nuns from the group of six eat curd that they have asked for?” …\n“Is it true, monks, that those nuns do this?”\n“It’s true, sir.”\nThe Buddha rebuked them …\n“How can the nuns from the group of six do this?\nThis will affect people’s confidence …” …\n“And, monks, the nuns should recite this training rule like this:"}},{"id":"pli-tv-bi-vb-pd2:1.1.21","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bi-vb-pd2:1.1.21.0","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd2:1.1.21.1"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"First preliminary ruling\n‘If a nun asks for curd and then eats it, she must acknowledge it:","pi":"“Yā pana bhikkhunī dadhiṁ viññāpetvā bhuñjeyya, paṭidesetabbaṁ tāya bhikkhuniyā—"}},{"id":"pli-tv-bi-vb-pd2:1.1-from-pli-tv-bi-vb-pd2-1.1.22","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bi-vb-pd2:1.1.22","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd2:1.1.23"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"‘gārayhaṁ, ayye, dhammaṁ āpajjiṁ asappāyaṁ pāṭidesanīyaṁ, taṁ paṭidesemī’”ti.\nEvañcidaṁ bhagavatā bhikkhunīnaṁ sikkhāpadaṁ paññattaṁ hoti.","en":"“I have done a blameworthy and unsuitable thing that is to be acknowledged. I acknowledge it.”’”\nIn this way the Buddha laid down this training rule for the nuns."}},{"id":"pli-tv-bi-vb-pd2:1.2","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bi-vb-pd2:1.2.0","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd2:1.2.1","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd2:1.2.2","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd2:1.2.3","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd2:1.2.4","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd2:1.2.5","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd2:1.2.6","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd2:1.2.7","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd2:1.2.8"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"Second substory\nSoon afterwards a number of nuns were sick.\nThe nuns who were looking after them asked,\n“I hope you’re bearing up? I hope you’re getting better?”\n“Previously we ate curd that we had asked for, and then we were comfortable.\nBut now that the Buddha has prohibited this, we don’t ask because we’re afraid of wrongdoing. And because of that we’re not comfortable.” …\nThey told the Buddha. Soon afterwards the Buddha had the Sangha gathered and addressed the monks:\n“Monks, I allow a sick nun to eat curd that she has asked for.\nAnd so, monks, the nuns should recite this training rule like this:","pi":"Tena kho pana samayena bhikkhuniyo gilānā honti.\nGilānapucchikā bhikkhuniyo gilānā bhikkhuniyo etadavocuṁ—\n“kacci, ayye, khamanīyaṁ, kacci yāpanīyan”ti?\n“Pubbe mayaṁ, ayye, dadhiṁ viññāpetvā bhuñjimhā, tena no phāsu hoti;\nidāni pana ‘bhagavatā paṭikkhittan’ti kukkuccāyantā na viññāpema, tena no na phāsu hotī”ti … pe …\nbhagavato etamatthaṁ ārocesuṁ … pe …\nanujānāmi, bhikkhave, gilānāya bhikkhuniyā dadhiṁ viññāpetvā bhuñjituṁ.\nEvañca pana, bhikkhave, bhikkhuniyo imaṁ sikkhāpadaṁ uddisantu—"}},{"id":"pli-tv-bi-vb-pd2:1.2.9","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bi-vb-pd2:1.2.9.0","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd2:1.2.9.1"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"Final ruling\n‘If a nun who is not sick asks for (oil …","pi":"“Yā pana bhikkhunī agilānā (telaṁ …pe…"}},{"id":"pli-tv-bi-vb-pd3:1.1","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bi-vb-pd3:1.1.1"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"madhuṁ …pe…","en":"honey …"}},{"id":"pli-tv-bi-vb-pd4:1.1","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bi-vb-pd4:1.1.1"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"phāṇitaṁ …pe…","en":"syrup …"}},{"id":"pli-tv-bi-vb-pd5:1.1","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bi-vb-pd5:1.1.1"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"macchaṁ …pe…","en":"fish …"}},{"id":"pli-tv-bi-vb-pd6:1.1","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bi-vb-pd6:1.1.1"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"maṁsaṁ …pe…","en":"meat …"}},{"id":"pli-tv-bi-vb-pd7:1.1","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bi-vb-pd7:1.1.1"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"khīraṁ …pe…)","en":"milk … )"}},{"id":"pli-tv-bi-vb-pd8:1.1","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bi-vb-pd8:1.1.1","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd8:1.1.2"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"dadhiṁ viññāpetvā bhuñjeyya, paṭidesetabbaṁ tāya bhikkhuniyā—\n‘gārayhaṁ, ayye, dhammaṁ āpajjiṁ asappāyaṁ pāṭidesanīyaṁ, taṁ paṭidesemī’”ti.","en":"curd and then eats it, she must acknowledge it:\n“I have done a blameworthy and unsuitable thing that is to be acknowledged. I acknowledge it.”’”"}},{"id":"pli-tv-bi-vb-pd8:2.1","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bi-vb-pd8:2.1.0","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd8:2.1.1","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd8:2.1.2","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd8:2.1.3","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd8:2.1.4","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd8:2.1.5","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd8:2.1.6","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd8:2.1.7","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd8:2.1.8","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd8:2.1.9","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd8:2.1.10","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd8:2.1.11","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd8:2.1.12","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd8:2.1.13","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd8:2.1.14","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd8:2.1.15","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd8:2.1.16","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd8:2.1.17","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd8:2.1.18","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd8:2.1.19","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd8:2.1.20","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd8:2.1.21","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd8:2.1.22","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd8:2.1.23","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd8:2.1.24","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd8:2.1.25"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"Definitions\nA:\nwhoever …\nNun:\n… The nun who has been given the full ordination in unanimity by both Sanghas through a legal procedure consisting of one motion and three announcements that is irreversible and fit to stand—this sort of nun is meant in this case.\nWho is not sick:\nwho is comfortable without curd.\nWho is sick:\nwho is not comfortable without curd.\nOil:\nsesame oil, mustard oil, honey-tree oil, castor oil, oil from fat.\nHoney:\nhoney from bees.\nSyrup:\nfrom sugarcane.\nFish:\nwhat lives in water is what is meant.\nMeat:\nthe meat of those animals whose meat is allowable.\nMilk:\nmilk from cows, milk from goats, milk from buffaloes, or milk from whatever animal whose meat is allowable.\nCurd:\ncurd from those same animals.\nIf she is not sick and she asks for herself, then for the effort there is an act of wrong conduct.\nWhen she receives it with the intention of eating it, she commits an offense of wrong conduct.\nFor every mouthful swallowed, she commits an offense entailing acknowledgment.","pi":"Yā panāti\nyā yādisā … pe …\nbhikkhunīti\n… pe … ayaṁ imasmiṁ atthe adhippetā bhikkhunīti.\nAgilānā nāma\nyassā vinā dadhinā phāsu hoti.\nGilānā nāma\nyassā vinā dadhinā na phāsu hoti.\nTelaṁ nāma\ntilatelaṁ sāsapatelaṁ madhukatelaṁ eraṇḍatelaṁ vasātelaṁ.\nMadhu nāma\nmakkhikāmadhu.\nPhāṇitaṁ nāma\nucchumhā nibbattaṁ.\nMaccho nāma\nodako vuccati.\nMaṁsaṁ nāma\nyesaṁ maṁsaṁ kappati tesaṁ maṁsaṁ.\nKhīraṁ nāma\ngokhīraṁ vā ajikākhīraṁ vā mahiṁsakhīraṁ vā yesaṁ maṁsaṁ kappati tesaṁ khīraṁ.\nDadhi nāma\ntesaññeva dadhi.\nAgilānā attano atthāya viññāpeti, payoge dukkaṭaṁ.\nPaṭilābhena “bhuñjissāmī”ti paṭiggaṇhāti, āpatti dukkaṭassa.\nAjjhohāre ajjhohāre āpatti pāṭidesanīyassa."}},{"id":"pli-tv-bi-vb-pd8:2.2","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bi-vb-pd8:2.2.0","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd8:2.2.1","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd8:2.2.2","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd8:2.2.3","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd8:2.2.4","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd8:2.2.5","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd8:2.2.6"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"Permutations\nIf she is not sick, and she does not perceive herself as sick, and she eats curd that she has asked for, she commits an offense entailing acknowledgment.\nIf she is not sick, but she is unsure of it, and she eats curd that she has asked for, she commits an offense entailing acknowledgment.\nIf she is not sick, but she perceives herself as sick, and she eats curd that she has asked for, she commits an offense entailing acknowledgment.\nIf she is sick, but she does not perceive herself as sick, she commits an offense of wrong conduct.\nIf she is sick, but she is unsure of it, she commits an offense of wrong conduct.\nIf she is sick, and she perceives herself as sick, there is no offense.","pi":"Agilānā agilānasaññā dadhiṁ viññāpetvā bhuñjati, āpatti pāṭidesanīyassa.\nAgilānā vematikā dadhiṁ viññāpetvā bhuñjati, āpatti pāṭidesanīyassa.\nAgilānā gilānasaññā dadhiṁ viññāpetvā bhuñjati, āpatti pāṭidesanīyassa.\nGilānā agilānasaññā, āpatti dukkaṭassa.\nGilānā vematikā, āpatti dukkaṭassa.\nGilānā gilānasaññā anāpatti."}},{"id":"pli-tv-bi-vb-pd8:2.3","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bi-vb-pd8:2.3.0","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd8:2.3.1","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd8:2.3.2","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd8:2.3.3","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd8:2.3.4","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd8:2.3.5","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd8:2.3.6","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd8:2.3.7","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd8:2.3.8","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd8:2.3.9","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd8:2.3.10","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd8:2.3.11","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd8:2.3.12","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd8:2.3.13","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd8:2.3.14","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd8:2.3.15","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd8:2.3.16","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd8:2.3.17","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd8:2.3.18","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd8:2.3.19","pli-tv-bi-vb-pd8:2.3.20"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"Non-offenses\nThere is no offense:\nif she is sick;\nif she asked for it when she was sick, but eats it when she is no longer sick;\nif she eats the leftovers from one who is sick;\nif it is from relatives;\nif it is from those who have given an invitation;\nif it is for the benefit of someone else;\nif it is by means of her own property;\nif she is insane;\nif she is the first offender.\nThe eighth training rule entailing acknowledgment is finished.\n“Venerables, the eight rules on acknowledgment have been recited.\nIn regard to this I ask you,\n‘Are you pure in this?’\nA second time I ask,\n‘Are you pure in this?’\nA third time I ask,\n‘Are you pure in this?’\nYou are pure in this and therefore silent. I will remember it thus.”\nThe chapter on offenses entailing acknowledgment in the Nuns’ Analysis is finished.","pi":"Anāpatti—\ngilānāya,\ngilānā hutvā viññāpetvā agilānā bhuñjati,\ngilānāya sesakaṁ bhuñjati,\nñātakānaṁ,\npavāritānaṁ,\naññassatthāya,\nattano dhanena,\nummattikāya,\nādikammikāyāti.\nAṭṭhamapāṭidesanīyasikkhāpadaṁ niṭṭhitaṁ.\nUddiṭṭhā kho, ayyāyo, aṭṭha pāṭidesanīyā dhammā.\nTatthāyyāyo pucchāmi—\n“kaccittha parisuddhā”?\nDutiyampi pucchāmi—\n“kaccittha parisuddhā”?\nTatiyampi pucchāmi—\n“kaccittha parisuddhā”?\nParisuddhetthāyyāyo, tasmā tuṇhī, evametaṁ dhārayāmīti.\nBhikkhunivibhaṅge pāṭidesanīyakaṇḍaṁ niṭṭhitaṁ."}}]}],"sourceRevision":"afdafa92450cfe7573b280da50382888323666d2","sourceUrl":"https://suttacentral.net/pli-tv-bi-vb-pd2-8/en/brahmali","licence":"CC0 1.0","licenceUrl":"https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/","editionNote":"Full supplied source file; inherited abbreviations are preserved. Not a reconstructed expansion of every repetition. No Malay or Mandarin translation is implied."}