{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-np26","title":"Asking for thread","languageCodes":["en","pi"],"languageNotes":{"en":"Bhikkhu Brahmāli · CC0","pi":"Mahāsaṅgīti edition · SuttaCentral"},"chapters":[{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-np26","title":"Asking for thread","units":[{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:0","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:0.1","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:0.2","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:0.3","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:0.4","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:0.5"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Theravāda Vinaya\nMahāvibhaṅga\nNissaggiyakaṇḍa\nPattavagga\n26. Suttaviññattisikkhāpada","en":"Theravāda Collection on Monastic Law\nThe Great Analysis\nThe chapter on relinquishment\nThe subchapter on almsbowls\nAsking for thread"}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:1","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:1.0","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:1.1","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:1.2","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:1.3","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:1.4","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:1.5","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:1.6","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:1.7","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:1.8","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:1.9","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:1.10","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:1.11","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:1.12","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:1.13","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:1.14","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:1.15","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:1.16","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:1.17","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:1.18","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:1.19","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:1.20","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:1.21","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:1.22"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"Origin story\nAt one time when the Buddha was staying at Rājagaha in the Bamboo Grove,\nthe monks from the group of six were making robes and they asked for a large amount of thread.\nBut when their robes were finished, there was much thread left over.\nThey said,\n“Well, let’s ask for even more thread and get weavers to weave us robe-cloth.”\nYet even when that robe-cloth had been woven, there was much thread left over.\nA second time they asked for more thread and had weavers weave them robe-cloth.\nOnce again there was much thread left over.\nA third time they asked for more thread and had weavers weave them robe-cloth.\nPeople complained and criticized them,\n“How could the Sakyan monastics ask for thread and then get weavers to weave them robe-cloth?”\nThe monks heard the complaints of those people,\nand the monks of few desires complained and criticized those monks,\n“How could the monks from the group of six ask for thread and then get weavers to weave them robe-cloth?”\nAfter rebuking those monks in many ways, they told the Buddha. Soon afterwards he had the Sangha gathered and questioned those monks:\n“Is it true, monks, that you did this?”\n“It’s true, sir.”\nThe Buddha rebuked them …\n“Foolish men, how could you do this?\nThis will affect people’s confidence …” …\n“And, monks, this training rule should be recited like this:","pi":"Tena samayena buddho bhagavā rājagahe viharati veḷuvane kalandakanivāpe.\nTena kho pana samayena chabbaggiyā bhikkhū cīvarakārasamaye bahuṁ suttaṁ viññāpesuṁ.\nKatepi cīvare bahuṁ suttaṁ avasiṭṭhaṁ hoti.\nAtha kho chabbaggiyānaṁ bhikkhūnaṁ etadahosi—\n“handa mayaṁ, āvuso, aññampi suttaṁ viññāpetvā tantavāyehi cīvaraṁ vāyāpemā”ti.\nAtha kho chabbaggiyā bhikkhū aññampi suttaṁ viññāpetvā tantavāyehi cīvaraṁ vāyāpesuṁ.\nVītepi cīvare bahuṁ suttaṁ avasiṭṭhaṁ hoti.\nDutiyampi kho chabbaggiyā bhikkhū aññampi suttaṁ viññāpetvā tantavāyehi cīvaraṁ vāyāpesuṁ.\nVītepi cīvare bahuṁ suttaṁ avasiṭṭhaṁ hoti.\nTatiyampi kho chabbaggiyā bhikkhū aññampi suttaṁ viññāpetvā tantavāyehi cīvaraṁ vāyāpesuṁ.\nManussā ujjhāyanti khiyyanti vipācenti—\n“kathañhi nāma samaṇā sakyaputtiyā sāmaṁ suttaṁ viññāpetvā tantavāyehi cīvaraṁ vāyāpessantī”ti.\nAssosuṁ kho bhikkhū tesaṁ manussānaṁ ujjhāyantānaṁ khiyyantānaṁ vipācentānaṁ.\nYe te bhikkhū appicchā …pe… te ujjhāyanti khiyyanti vipācenti—\n“kathañhi nāma chabbaggiyā bhikkhū sāmaṁ suttaṁ viññāpetvā tantavāyehi cīvaraṁ vāyāpessantī”ti.\nAtha kho te bhikkhū chabbaggiye bhikkhū anekapariyāyena vigarahitvā bhagavato etamatthaṁ ārocesuṁ …pe…\n“saccaṁ kira tumhe, bhikkhave, sāmaṁ suttaṁ viññāpetvā tantavāyehi cīvaraṁ vāyāpethā”ti?\n“Saccaṁ, bhagavā”ti.\nVigarahi buddho bhagavā …pe…\nkathañhi nāma tumhe, moghapurisā, sāmaṁ suttaṁ viññāpetvā tantavāyehi cīvaraṁ vāyāpessatha.\nNetaṁ, moghapurisā, appasannānaṁ vā pasādāya …pe…\nevañca pana, bhikkhave, imaṁ sikkhāpadaṁ uddiseyyātha—"}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:1.23","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:1.23.0","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:1.23.1"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"Final ruling\n‘If a monk himself asks for thread, and then has weavers weave him robe-cloth, he commits an offense entailing relinquishment and confession.’”","pi":"“Yo pana bhikkhu sāmaṁ suttaṁ viññāpetvā tantavāyehi cīvaraṁ vāyāpeyya, nissaggiyaṁ pācittiyan”ti."}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:2","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:2.0","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:2.1","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:2.2","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:2.3","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:2.4","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:2.5","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:2.6","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:2.7","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:2.8","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:2.9","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:2.10","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:2.11","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:2.12","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:2.13","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:2.14","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:2.15","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:2.16","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:2.17","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:2.18","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:2.19","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:2.20"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"Definitions\nA:\nwhoever …\nMonk:\n… The monk who has been given the full ordination by a unanimous Sangha through a legal procedure consisting of one motion and three announcements that is irreversible and fit to stand—this sort of monk is meant in this case.\nHimself:\nhe himself has asked.\nThread:\nthere are six kinds of thread:\nlinen, cotton, silk, wool, sunn hemp, and hemp.\nWeavers:\nif he has it woven by weavers, then for every effort there is an act of wrong conduct.\nWhen he gets the robe-cloth, it becomes subject to relinquishment.\nThe robe-cloth should be relinquished to a sangha, a group, or an individual.\n“And, monks, it should be relinquished like this. …”\n(To be expanded as in Bu NP 1:3.2.5–3.2.29, with appropriate substitutions.)\n“Venerables, this robe-cloth, which I got weavers to weave after asking for the thread myself, is to be relinquished.\nI relinquish it to the Sangha.” …\n“the Sangha should give …”\n“you should give …”\n“I give this robe-cloth back to you.”","pi":"Yo panāti\nyo yādiso …pe…\nbhikkhūti\n…pe… ayaṁ imasmiṁ atthe adhippeto bhikkhūti.\nSāmanti\nsayaṁ viññāpetvā.\nSuttaṁ nāma\ncha suttāni—\nkhomaṁ kappāsikaṁ koseyyaṁ kambalaṁ sāṇaṁ bhaṅgaṁ.\nTantavāyehīti\npesakārehi vāyāpeti, payoge payoge dukkaṭaṁ.\nPaṭilābhena nissaggiyaṁ hoti.\nNissajjitabbaṁ saṅghassa vā gaṇassa vā puggalassa vā.\nEvañca pana, bhikkhave, nissajjitabbaṁ.\n…pe…\n“idaṁ me, bhante, cīvaraṁ sāmaṁ suttaṁ viññāpetvā tantavāyehi vāyāpitaṁ nissaggiyaṁ.\nImāhaṁ saṅghassa nissajjāmī”ti …pe…\ndadeyyāti …pe…\ndadeyyunti …pe…\nāyasmato dammīti."}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:2.21","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:2.21.0","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:2.21.1"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"Permutations\nIf he had it woven, and he perceives that he did, he commits an offense entailing relinquishment and confession.","pi":"Vāyāpite vāyāpitasaññī, nissaggiyaṁ pācittiyaṁ."}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:2-from-pli-tv-bu-vb-np26-2.22","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:2.22","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:2.23","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:2.24","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:2.25","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:2.26"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Vāyāpite vematiko, nissaggiyaṁ pācittiyaṁ.\nVāyāpite avāyāpitasaññī, nissaggiyaṁ pācittiyaṁ.\nAvāyāpite vāyāpitasaññī, āpatti dukkaṭassa.\nAvāyāpite vematiko, āpatti dukkaṭassa.\nAvāyāpite avāyāpitasaññī, anāpatti.","en":"If he had it woven, but he is unsure of it, he commits an offense entailing relinquishment and confession.\nIf he had it woven, but he does not perceive that he did, he commits an offense entailing relinquishment and confession.\nIf he did not have it woven, but he perceives that he did, he commits an offense of wrong conduct.\nIf he did not have it woven, but he is unsure of it, he commits an offense of wrong conduct.\nIf he did not have it woven, and he does not perceive that he did, there is no offense."}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:2.27","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:2.27.0","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:2.27.1"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"Non-offenses\nThere is no offense:","pi":"Anāpatti—"}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:2-from-pli-tv-bu-vb-np26-2.28","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:2.28","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:2.29","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:2.30","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:2.31","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:2.32","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:2.33","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:2.34","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:2.35","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:2.36","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:2.37","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:2.38","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:2.39","pli-tv-bu-vb-np26:2.40"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"cīvaraṁ sibbetuṁ,\nāyoge,\nkāyabandhane,\naṁsabaddhake,\npattatthavikāya,\nparissāvane,\nñātakānaṁ,\npavāritānaṁ,\naññassatthāya,\nattano dhanena,\nummattakassa,\nādikammikassāti.\nSuttaviññattisikkhāpadaṁ niṭṭhitaṁ chaṭṭhaṁ.","en":"if it is to sew a robe;\nif it is for a back-and-knee strap;\nif it is for a belt;\nif it is for a shoulder strap;\nif it is for a bowl bag;\nif it is for a water filter;\nif it is from relatives;\nif it is from those who have given an invitation;\nif it for the benefit of someone else;\nif it is by means of his own property;\nif he is insane;\nif he is the first offender.\nThe training rule on asking for thread, the sixth, is finished."}}]}],"sourceRevision":"afdafa92450cfe7573b280da50382888323666d2","sourceUrl":"https://suttacentral.net/pli-tv-bu-vb-np26/en/brahmali","licence":"CC0 1.0","licenceUrl":"https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/","editionNote":"Full supplied source file; inherited abbreviations are preserved. Not a reconstructed expansion of every repetition. No Malay or Mandarin translation is implied."}