{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12","title":"Speaking evasively","languageCodes":["en","pi"],"languageNotes":{"en":"Bhikkhu Brahmāli · CC0","pi":"Mahāsaṅgīti edition · SuttaCentral"},"chapters":[{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12","title":"Speaking evasively","units":[{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:0","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:0.1","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:0.2","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:0.3","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:0.4","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:0.5"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Theravāda Vinaya\nMahāvibhaṅga\nPācittiyakaṇḍa\nBhūtagāmavagga\n12. Aññavādakasikkhāpada","en":"Theravāda Collection on Monastic Law\nThe Great Analysis\nThe chapter on offenses entailing confession\nThe subchapter on plants\nSpeaking evasively"}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:1.0","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:1.0.1","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:1.0.2"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"Origin story\nFirst substory"}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:1","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:1.1","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:1.2","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:1.3","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:1.4","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:1.5","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:1.6","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:1.7","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:1.8","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:1.9","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:1.10","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:1.11","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:1.12","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:1.13","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:1.14","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:1.15","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:1.16","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:1.17","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:1.18","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:1.19","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:1.20","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:1.21","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:1.22","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:1.23","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:1.24","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:1.25","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:1.26","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:1.27","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:1.28","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:1.29","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:1.30","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:1.31"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Tena samayena buddho bhagavā kosambiyaṁ viharati ghositārāme.\nTena kho pana samayena āyasmā channo anācāraṁ ācaritvā saṅghamajjhe āpattiyā anuyuñjīyamāno aññenaññaṁ paṭicarati—\n“ko āpanno, kiṁ āpanno, kismiṁ āpanno, kathaṁ āpanno, kaṁ bhaṇatha, kiṁ bhaṇathā”ti?\nYe te bhikkhū appicchā …pe… te ujjhāyanti khiyyanti vipācenti—\n“kathañhi nāma āyasmā channo saṅghamajjhe āpattiyā anuyuñjīyamāno aññenaññaṁ paṭicarissati—\n‘ko āpanno, kiṁ āpanno, kismiṁ āpanno, kathaṁ āpanno, kaṁ bhaṇatha, kiṁ bhaṇathā’”ti …pe…\nsaccaṁ kira tvaṁ, channa, saṅghamajjhe āpattiyā anuyuñjīyamāno aññenaññaṁ paṭicarasi—\n‘ko āpanno, kiṁ āpanno, kismiṁ āpanno, kathaṁ āpanno, kaṁ bhaṇatha, kiṁ bhaṇathā’”ti?\n“Saccaṁ, bhagavā”ti.\nVigarahi buddho bhagavā …pe…\nkathañhi nāma tvaṁ, moghapurisa, saṅghamajjhe āpattiyā anuyuñjīyamāno aññenaññaṁ paṭicarissasi—\n“ko āpanno, kiṁ āpanno, kismiṁ āpanno, kathaṁ āpanno, kaṁ bhaṇatha, kiṁ bhaṇathā”ti.\nNetaṁ, moghapurisa, appasannānaṁ vā pasādāya …pe…\nvigarahitvā …pe…\ndhammiṁ kathaṁ katvā bhikkhū āmantesi—\n“tena hi, bhikkhave, saṅgho channassa bhikkhuno aññavādakaṁ ropetu.\nEvañca pana, bhikkhave, ropetabbaṁ.\nByattena bhikkhunā paṭibalena saṅgho ñāpetabbo—\n‘Suṇātu me, bhante, saṅgho.\nAyaṁ channo bhikkhu saṅghamajjhe āpattiyā anuyuñjīyamāno aññenaññaṁ paṭicarati.\nYadi saṅghassa pattakallaṁ, saṅgho channassa bhikkhuno aññavādakaṁ ropeyya.\nEsā ñatti.\nSuṇātu me, bhante, saṅgho.\nAyaṁ channo bhikkhu saṅghamajjhe āpattiyā anuyuñjīyamāno aññenaññaṁ paṭicarati.\nSaṅgho channassa bhikkhuno aññavādakaṁ ropeti.\nYassāyasmato khamati channassa bhikkhuno aññavādakassa ropanā, so tuṇhassa;\nyassa nakkhamati, so bhāseyya.\nRopitaṁ saṅghena channassa bhikkhuno aññavādakaṁ.\nKhamati saṅghassa, tasmā tuṇhī, evametaṁ dhārayāmī’”ti.\nAtha kho bhagavā āyasmantaṁ channaṁ anekapariyāyena vigarahitvā dubbharatāya …pe…\nevañca pana, bhikkhave, imaṁ sikkhāpadaṁ uddiseyyātha—","en":"At one time when the Buddha was staying at Kosambī in Ghosita’s Monastery,\nVenerable Channa was misbehaving. Then, when he was examined about an offense in the midst of the Sangha, he spoke evasively,\n“Who has committed an offense? What offense was committed? In regard to what was it committed? How was it committed? Who are you talking about? What are you talking about?”\nThe monks of few desires complained and criticized him,\n“How can Venerable Channa speak evasively when examined about an offense in the midst of the Sangha?”…\n“Is it true, Channa, that you did this?”\n“It’s true, sir.”\nThe Buddha rebuked him …\n“Foolish man, how could you do this?\nThis will affect people’s confidence …”\nAfter rebuking him …\nhe gave a teaching and addressed the monks:\n“Well then, monks, the Sangha should charge Channa with evasive speech.\nAnd he is to be charged like this.\nA competent and capable monk should inform the Sangha:\n‘Please, venerables, I ask the Sangha to listen.\nThe monk Channa speaks evasively when examined about an offense in the midst of the Sangha.\nIf the Sangha is ready, it should charge the monk Channa with evasive speech.\nThis is the motion.\nPlease, venerables, I ask the Sangha to listen.\nThe monk Channa speaks evasively when examined about an offense in the midst of the Sangha.\nThe Sangha is charging the monk Channa with evasive speech.\nAny monk who approves of charging the monk Channa with evasive speech should remain silent.\nAny monk who doesn’t approve should speak up.\nThe Sangha has charged the monk Channa with evasive speech.\nThe Sangha approves and is therefore silent. I will remember it thus.’”\nAfter rebuking Channa in many ways, the Buddha spoke in dispraise of being difficult to support …\n“And, monks, this training rule should be recited like this:"}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:1.32","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:1.32.0","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:1.32.1"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"Preliminary ruling\n‘If a monk speaks evasively, he commits an offense entailing confession.’”","pi":"“Aññavādake pācittiyan”ti."}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:1-from-pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12-1.33","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:1.33"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Evañcidaṁ bhagavatā bhikkhūnaṁ sikkhāpadaṁ paññattaṁ hoti.","en":"In this way the Buddha laid down this training rule for the monks."}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:2","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:2.0","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:2.1","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:2.2","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:2.3","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:2.4","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:2.5","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:2.6","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:2.7","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:2.8","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:2.9","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:2.10","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:2.11","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:2.12","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:2.13","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:2.14","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:2.15","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:2.16","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:2.17","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:2.18","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:2.19","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:2.20","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:2.21","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:2.22","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:2.23","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:2.24","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:2.25","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:2.26","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:2.27"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"Second substory\nLater, when Channa was again being examined about an offense in the midst of the Sangha, he thought,\n“By speaking evasively I’ll commit an offense,” and he instead harassed the Sangha by remaining silent.\nThe monks of few desires complained and criticized him,\n“When he’s examined about an offense in the midst of the Sangha, how can Venerable Channa harass the Sangha by remaining silent?” …\n“Is it true, Channa, that you did this?”\n“It’s true, sir.”\nThe Buddha rebuked him …\n“Foolish man, how could you do this?\nThis will affect people’s confidence …”\nAfter rebuking him …\nhe gave a teaching and addressed the monks:\n“Well then, monks, the Sangha should charge Channa with harassment.\nAnd he is to be charged like this.\nA competent and capable monk should inform the Sangha:\n‘Please, venerables, I ask the Sangha to listen.\nThe monk Channa, when examined about an offense in the midst of the Sangha, harasses the Sangha by remaining silent.\nIf the Sangha is ready, it should charge the monk Channa with harassment.\nThis is the motion.\nPlease, venerables, I ask the Sangha to listen.\nThe monk Channa, when examined about an offense in the midst of the Sangha, harasses the Sangha by remaining silent.\nThe Sangha is charging the monk Channa with harassment.\nAny monk who approves of charging the monk Channa of harassment should remain silent.\nAny monk who doesn’t approve should speak up.\nThe Sangha has charged the monk Channa with harassment.\nThe Sangha approves and is therefore silent. I will remember it thus.’”\nAfter rebuking Channa in many ways, the Buddha spoke in dispraise of being difficult to support …\n“And so, monks, this training rule should be recited like this:","pi":"Tena kho pana samayena āyasmā channo saṅghamajjhe āpattiyā anuyuñjīyamāno aññenaññaṁ paṭicaranto—\n“āpattiṁ āpajjissāmī”ti tuṇhībhūto saṅghaṁ viheseti.\nYe te bhikkhū appicchā …pe… te ujjhāyanti khiyyanti vipācenti—\n“kathañhi nāma āyasmā channo saṅghamajjhe āpattiyā anuyuñjīyamāno tuṇhībhūto saṅghaṁ vihesessatī”ti …pe…\n“saccaṁ kira tvaṁ, channa, saṅghamajjhe āpattiyā anuyuñjīyamāno tuṇhībhūto saṅghaṁ vihesesī”ti?\n“Saccaṁ, bhagavā”ti.\nVigarahi buddho bhagavā …pe…\nkathañhi nāma tvaṁ, moghapurisa, saṅghamajjhe āpattiyā anuyuñjīyamāno tuṇhībhūto saṅghaṁ vihesessasi.\nNetaṁ, moghapurisa, appasannānaṁ vā pasādāya …pe…\nvigarahitvā …pe…\ndhammiṁ kathaṁ katvā bhikkhū āmantesi—\n“tena hi, bhikkhave, saṅgho channassa bhikkhuno vihesakaṁ ropetu.\nEvañca pana, bhikkhave, ropetabbaṁ.\nByattena bhikkhunā paṭibalena saṅgho ñāpetabbo—\n‘Suṇātu me, bhante, saṅgho.\nAyaṁ channo bhikkhu saṅghamajjhe āpattiyā anuyuñjīyamāno tuṇhībhūto saṅghaṁ viheseti.\nYadi saṅghassa pattakallaṁ, saṅgho channassa bhikkhuno vihesakaṁ ropeyya.\nEsā ñatti.\nSuṇātu me, bhante, saṅgho.\nAyaṁ channo bhikkhu saṅghamajjhe āpattiyā anuyuñjīyamāno tuṇhībhūto saṅghaṁ viheseti.\nSaṅgho channassa bhikkhuno vihesakaṁ ropeti.\nYassāyasmato khamati channassa bhikkhuno vihesakassa ropanā, so tuṇhassa;\nyassa nakkhamati, so bhāseyya.\nRopitaṁ saṅghena channassa bhikkhuno vihesakaṁ.\nKhamati saṅghassa, tasmā tuṇhī, evametaṁ dhārayāmī’”ti.\nAtha kho bhagavā āyasmantaṁ channaṁ anekapariyāyena vigarahitvā dubbharatāya …pe…\nevañca pana, bhikkhave, imaṁ sikkhāpadaṁ uddiseyyātha—"}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:2.28","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:2.28.0","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:2.28.1"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"Final ruling\n‘If a monk speaks evasively or harasses, he commits an offense entailing confession.’”","pi":"“Aññavādake vihesake pācittiyan”ti."}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:3.1","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:3.1.0","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:3.1.1","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:3.1.2","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:3.1.3","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:3.1.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"Definitions\nOne who speaks evasively:\nwhen being examined in the midst of the Sangha about an action that was the basis for an offense or about the class of an offense, he speaks evasively because he does not want to talk about it or reveal it, saying, “Who has committed an offense? What offense was committed? In regard to what was it committed? How was it committed? Who are you talking about? What are you talking about?”—this is called “one who speaks evasively”.\nOne who harasses:\nwhen being examined in the midst of the Sangha about an action that was the basis for an offense or about the class of an offense, he harasses the Sangha by remaining silent because he does not want to talk about it or reveal it—this is called “one who harasses”.","pi":"Aññavādako nāma\nsaṅghamajjhe vatthusmiṁ vā āpattiyā vā anuyuñjīyamāno taṁ na kathetukāmo taṁ na ugghāṭetukāmo aññenaññaṁ paṭicarati— “ko āpanno, kiṁ āpanno, kismiṁ āpanno, kathaṁ āpanno, kaṁ bhaṇatha, kiṁ bhaṇathā”ti. Eso aññavādako nāma.\nVihesako nāma\nsaṅghamajjhe vatthusmiṁ vā āpattiyā vā anuyuñjīyamāno taṁ na kathetukāmo taṁ na ugghāṭetukāmo tuṇhībhūto saṅghaṁ viheseti. Eso vihesako nāma."}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:3.1.5","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:3.1.5.0","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:3.1.5.1"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"Permutations\nIf he has not been charged with evasive speech, but he is being examined in the midst of the Sangha about an action that was the basis for an offense or about the class of an offense, and he then speaks evasively because he does not want to talk about it or reveal it, saying,","pi":"Aropite aññavādake saṅghamajjhe vatthusmiṁ vā āpattiyā vā anuyuñjīyamāno taṁ na kathetukāmo taṁ na ugghāṭetukāmo aññenaññaṁ paṭicarati—"}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:3.1-from-pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12-3.1.6","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:3.1.6","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:3.1.7","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:3.1.8","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:3.1.9","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:3.1.10"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“ko āpanno, kiṁ āpanno, kismiṁ āpanno, kathaṁ āpanno, kaṁ bhaṇatha, kiṁ bhaṇathā”ti, āpatti dukkaṭassa.\nAropite vihesake saṅghamajjhe vatthusmiṁ vā āpattiyā vā anuyuñjīyamāno taṁ na kathetukāmo taṁ na ugghāṭetukāmo tuṇhībhūto saṅghaṁ viheseti, āpatti dukkaṭassa.\nRopite aññavādake saṅghamajjhe vatthusmiṁ vā āpattiyā vā anuyuñjīyamāno taṁ na kathetukāmo taṁ na ugghāṭetukāmo aññenaññaṁ paṭicarati—\n“ko āpanno, kiṁ āpanno, kismiṁ āpanno, kathaṁ āpanno, kaṁ bhaṇatha, kiṁ bhaṇathā”ti, āpatti pācittiyassa.\nRopite vihesake saṅghamajjhe vatthusmiṁ vā āpattiyā vā anuyuñjīyamāno taṁ na kathetukāmo taṁ na ugghāṭetukāmo tuṇhībhūto saṅghaṁ viheseti, āpatti pācittiyassa.","en":"“Who has committed an offense? What offense was committed? In regard to what was it committed? How was it committed? Who are you talking about? What are you talking about?” then he commits an offense of wrong conduct.\nIf he has not been charged with harassment, but he is being examined in the midst of the Sangha about an action that was the basis for an offense or about the class of an offense, and he then harasses the Sangha by remaining silent because he does not want to talk about it or reveal it, then he commits an offense of wrong conduct.\nIf he has been charged with evasive speech, and he is being examined in the midst of the Sangha about an action that was the basis for an offense or about the class of an offense, and he then speaks evasively because he does not want to talk about it or reveal it, saying,\n“Who has committed an offense? What offense was committed? In regard to what was it committed? How was it committed? Who are you talking about? What are you talking about?” then he commits an offense entailing confession.\nIf he has been charged with harassment, and he is being examined in the midst of the Sangha about an action that was the basis for an offense or about the class of an offense, and he then harasses the Sangha by remaining silent because he does not want to talk about it or reveal it, then he commits an offense entailing confession."}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:3.2","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:3.2.1","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:3.2.2","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:3.2.3","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:3.2.4","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:3.2.5","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:3.2.6"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Dhammakamme dhammakammasaññī aññavādake vihesake, āpatti pācittiyassa.\nDhammakamme vematiko aññavādake vihesake, āpatti pācittiyassa.\nDhammakamme adhammakammasaññī aññavādake vihesake, āpatti pācittiyassa.\nAdhammakamme dhammakammasaññī, āpatti dukkaṭassa.\nAdhammakamme vematiko, āpatti dukkaṭassa.\nAdhammakamme adhammakammasaññī, āpatti dukkaṭassa.","en":"If it is a legitimate legal procedure, and he perceives it as such, and he speaks evasively or he harasses, he commits an offense entailing confession.\nIf it is a legitimate legal procedure, but he is unsure of it, and he speaks evasively or he harasses, he commits an offense entailing confession.\nIf it is a legitimate legal procedure, but he perceives it as illegitimate, and he speaks evasively or he harasses, he commits an offense entailing confession.\nIf it is an illegitimate legal procedure, but he perceives it as legitimate, he commits an offense of wrong conduct.\nIf it is an illegitimate legal procedure, but he is unsure of it, he commits an offense of wrong conduct.\nIf it is an illegitimate legal procedure, and he perceives it as such, he commits an offense of wrong conduct."}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:3.3","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:3.3.0","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:3.3.1","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:3.3.2","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:3.3.3","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:3.3.4","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:3.3.5","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:3.3.6","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:3.3.7","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:3.3.8","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12:3.3.9"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"Non-offenses\nThere is no offense:\nif he asks because he does not know;\nif he does not speak because he is sick;\nif he does not speak because he thinks there will be quarrels or disputes in the Sangha;\nif he does not speak because he thinks there will be a fracture or schism in the Sangha;\nif he does not speak because he thinks the legal procedure will be illegitimate, done by an incomplete assembly, or done to one who does not deserve a legal procedure;\nif he is insane;\nif he is the first offender.\nThe training rule on speaking evasively, the second, is finished.","pi":"Anāpatti—\najānanto pucchati,\ngilāno vā na katheti;\n“saṅghassa bhaṇḍanaṁ vā kalaho vā viggaho vā vivādo vā bhavissatī”ti na katheti;\n“saṅghabhedo vā saṅgharāji vā bhavissatī”ti na katheti;\n“adhammena vā vaggena vā nakammārahassa vā kammaṁ karissatī”ti na katheti;\nummattakassa,\nādikammikassāti.\nAññavādakasikkhāpadaṁ niṭṭhitaṁ dutiyaṁ."}}]}],"sourceRevision":"afdafa92450cfe7573b280da50382888323666d2","sourceUrl":"https://suttacentral.net/pli-tv-bu-vb-pc12/en/brahmali","licence":"CC0 1.0","licenceUrl":"https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/","editionNote":"Full supplied source file; inherited abbreviations are preserved. Not a reconstructed expansion of every repetition. No Malay or Mandarin translation is implied."}