{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7","title":"Teaching a woman alone","languageCodes":["en","pi"],"languageNotes":{"en":"Bhikkhu Brahmāli · CC0","pi":"Mahāsaṅgīti edition · SuttaCentral"},"chapters":[{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7","title":"Teaching a woman alone","units":[{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:0","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:0.1","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:0.2","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:0.3","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:0.4","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:0.5"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Theravāda Vinaya\nMahāvibhaṅga\nPācittiyakaṇḍa\nMusāvādavagga\n7. Dhammadesanāsikkhāpada","en":"Theravāda Collection on Monastic Law\nThe Great Analysis\nThe chapter on offenses entailing confession\nThe subchapter on lying\nTeaching a woman alone"}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:1.0","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:1.0.1","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:1.0.2"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"Origin story\nFirst substory"}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:1","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:1.1","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:1.2","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:1.3","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:1.4","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:1.5","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:1.6","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:1.7","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:1.8","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:1.9","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:1.10","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:1.11","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:1.12","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:1.13","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:1.14","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:1.15","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:1.16","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:1.17","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:1.18","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:1.19","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:1.20","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:1.21","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:1.22","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:1.23","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:1.24","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:1.25","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:1.26","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:1.27","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:1.28","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:1.29"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Tena samayena buddho bhagavā sāvatthiyaṁ viharati jetavane anāthapiṇḍikassa ārāme.\nTena kho pana samayena āyasmā udāyī sāvatthiyaṁ kulūpako hoti, bahukāni kulāni upasaṅkamati.\nAtha kho āyasmā udāyī pubbaṇhasamayaṁ nivāsetvā pattacīvaramādāya yena aññataraṁ kulaṁ tenupasaṅkami.\nTena kho pana samayena gharaṇī nivesanadvāre nisinnā hoti, gharasuṇhā āvasathadvāre nisinnā hoti.\nAtha kho āyasmā udāyī yena gharaṇī tenupasaṅkami; upasaṅkamitvā gharaṇiyā upakaṇṇake dhammaṁ desesi.\nAtha kho gharasuṇhāya etadahosi—\n“kiṁ nu kho so samaṇo sassuyā jāro udāhu obhāsatī”ti?\nAtha kho āyasmā udāyī gharaṇiyā upakaṇṇake dhammaṁ desetvā yena gharasuṇhā tenupasaṅkami; upasaṅkamitvā gharasuṇhāya upakaṇṇake dhammaṁ desesi.\nAtha kho gharaṇiyā etadahosi—\n“kiṁ nu kho so samaṇo gharasuṇhāya jāro udāhu obhāsatī”ti?\nAtha kho āyasmā udāyī gharasuṇhāya upakaṇṇake dhammaṁ desetvā pakkāmi.\nAtha kho gharaṇī gharasuṇhaṁ etadavoca—\n“he je, kiṁ te eso samaṇo avocā”ti?\n“Dhammaṁ me, ayye, desesi”.\n“Ayyāya pana kiṁ avocā”ti?\n“Mayhampi dhammaṁ desesī”ti.\nTā ujjhāyanti khiyyanti vipācenti—\n“kathañhi nāma ayyo udāyī upakaṇṇake dhammaṁ desessati.\nNanu nāma vissaṭṭhena vivaṭena dhammo desetabbo”ti?\nAssosuṁ kho bhikkhū tāsaṁ itthīnaṁ ujjhāyantīnaṁ khiyyantīnaṁ vipācentīnaṁ.\nYe te bhikkhū appicchā …pe… te ujjhāyanti khiyyanti vipācenti—\n“kathañhi nāma āyasmā udāyī mātugāmassa dhammaṁ desessatī”ti.\nAtha kho te bhikkhū āyasmantaṁ udāyiṁ anekapariyāyena vigarahitvā bhagavato etamatthaṁ ārocesuṁ …pe…\n“saccaṁ kira tvaṁ, udāyi, mātugāmassa dhammaṁ desesī”ti?\n“Saccaṁ, bhagavā”ti.\nVigarahi buddho bhagavā …pe…\nkathañhi nāma tvaṁ, moghapurisa, mātugāmassa dhammaṁ desessasi.\nNetaṁ moghapurisa, appasannānaṁ vā pasādāya …pe…\nevañca pana, bhikkhave, imaṁ sikkhāpadaṁ uddiseyyātha—","en":"At one time the Buddha was staying at Sāvatthī in the Jeta Grove, Anāthapiṇḍika’s Monastery.\nAt that time Venerable Udāyī was associating with and visiting a number of families in Sāvatthī.\nAfter robing up one morning, he took his bowl and robe and went to a certain family.\nJust then the housewife was sitting at the door to the house, while the daughter-in-law was sitting at the door to the guesthouse.\nUdāyī went up to the housewife and gave her a teaching, whispering in her ear.\nAnd the daughter-in-law thought,\n“Is this monastic my mother-in-law’s lover, or is he speaking indecently?”\nAfter teaching the housewife in this way, Udāyī went up to the daughter-in-law and gave her a teaching in the same way.\nThen the housewife thought,\n“Is this monastic my daughter-in-law’s lover, or is he speaking indecently?”\nWhen Udāyī had left,\nthe housewife said to her daughter-in-law,\n“Hey, what did that monastic say to you?”\n“He gave me a teaching, ma’am.\nBut what did he say to you?”\n“He gave me a teaching, too.”\nAnd they complained and criticized him,\n“How can Venerable Udāyī give teachings by whispering in the ear?\nShould not teachings be given audibly and openly?”\nThe monks heard the complaints of those women,\nand the monks of few desires complained and criticized Udāyī,\n“How can Venerable Udāyī give teachings to women?”\nAfter rebuking him in many ways, they told the Buddha. Soon afterwards he had the Sangha gathered and questioned Udāyī:\n“Is it true, Udāyī, that you did this?”\n“It’s true, sir.”\nThe Buddha rebuked him …\n“Foolish man, how can you do this?\nThis will affect people’s confidence …” …\n“And, monks, this training rule should be recited like this:"}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:1.30","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:1.30.0","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:1.30.1"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"First preliminary ruling\n‘If a monk gives a teaching to a woman, he commits an offense entailing confession.’”","pi":"“Yo pana bhikkhu mātugāmassa dhammaṁ deseyya pācittiyan”ti."}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:1-from-pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7-1.31","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:1.31"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Evañcidaṁ bhagavatā bhikkhūnaṁ sikkhāpadaṁ paññattaṁ hoti.","en":"In this way the Buddha laid down this training rule for the monks."}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:2","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:2.0","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:2.1","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:2.2","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:2.3","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:2.4","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:2.5","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:2.6","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:2.7","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:2.8","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:2.9","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:2.10","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:2.11","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:2.12","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:2.13"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"Second substory\nSoon afterwards some female lay followers saw some monks and said to them,\n“Venerables, please give a teaching.”\n“It’s not allowable for us to teach women.”\n“Just teach five or six sentences. That might be enough for us to understand.”\n“It’s not allowable for us to teach women.”\nAnd being afraid of wrongdoing, they did not teach them.\nThose female lay followers complained and criticized them,\n“How can they not teach us when asked?”\nThe monks heard the complaints of those female lay followers,\nand they told the Buddha.\nSoon afterwards the Buddha gave a teaching and addressed the monks:\n“Monks, I allow you to teach five or six sentences to a woman.\nAnd so, monks, this training rule should be recited like this:","pi":"Tena kho pana samayena upāsikā bhikkhū passitvā etadavocuṁ—\n“iṅghāyyā, dhammaṁ desethā”ti.\n“Na, bhaginī, kappati mātugāmassa dhammaṁ desetun”ti.\n“Iṅghāyyā, chappañcavācāhi dhammaṁ desetha, sakkā ettakenapi dhammo aññātun”ti.\n“Na, bhaginī, kappati mātugāmassa dhammaṁ desetun”ti.\nKukkuccāyantā na desesuṁ.\nUpāsikā ujjhāyanti khiyyanti vipācenti—\n“kathañhi nāma, ayyā, amhehi yācīyamānā dhammaṁ na desessantī”ti.\nAssosuṁ kho bhikkhū tāsaṁ upāsikānaṁ ujjhāyantīnaṁ khiyyantīnaṁ vipācentīnaṁ.\nAtha kho te bhikkhū bhagavato etamatthaṁ ārocesuṁ.\nAtha kho bhagavā etasmiṁ nidāne etasmiṁ pakaraṇe dhammiṁ kathaṁ katvā bhikkhū āmantesi—\n“anujānāmi, bhikkhave, mātugāmassa chappañcavācāhi dhammaṁ desetuṁ.\nEvañca pana, bhikkhave, imaṁ sikkhāpadaṁ uddiseyyātha—"}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:2.14","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:2.14.0","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:2.14.1"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"Second preliminary ruling\n‘If a monk gives a teaching of more than five or six sentences to a woman, he commits an offense entailing confession.’”","pi":"“Yo pana bhikkhū mātugāmassa uttarichappañcavācāhi dhammaṁ deseyya, pācittiyan”ti."}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:2-from-pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7-2.15","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:2.15"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Evañcidaṁ bhagavatā bhikkhūnaṁ sikkhāpadaṁ paññattaṁ hoti.","en":"In this way the Buddha laid down this training rule for the monks."}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:3","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:3.0","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:3.1","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:3.2","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:3.3","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:3.4","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:3.5","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:3.6","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:3.7","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:3.8","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:3.9","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:3.10"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"Third substory\nWhen the monks from the group of six heard that the Buddha had made this allowance, they taught women more than five or six sentences with a man who did not understand sitting nearby.\nThe monks of few desires complained and criticized them,\n“How can the monks from the group of six teach women more than five or six sentences with a man who doesn’t understand sitting nearby?”\nAfter rebuking those monks in many ways, they told the Buddha. Soon afterwards he had the Sangha gathered and questioned the monks:\n“Is it true, monks, that you do this?”\n“It’s true, sir.”\nThe Buddha rebuked them …\n“Foolish men, how can you do this?\nThis will affect people’s confidence …” …\n“And so, monks, this training rule should be recited like this:","pi":"Tena kho pana samayena chabbaggiyā bhikkhū—“bhagavatā anuññātaṁ mātugāmassa chappañcavācāhi dhammaṁ desetun”ti te aviññuṁ purisaviggahaṁ upanisīdāpetvā mātugāmassa uttarichappañcavācāhi dhammaṁ desenti.\nYe te bhikkhū appicchā …pe… te ujjhāyanti khiyyanti vipācenti—\n“kathañhi nāma chabbaggiyā bhikkhū aviññuṁ purisaviggahaṁ upanisīdāpetvā mātugāmassa uttarichappañcavācāhi dhammaṁ desessantī”ti.\nAtha kho te bhikkhū chabbaggiye bhikkhū anekapariyāyena vigarahitvā bhagavato etamatthaṁ ārocesuṁ …pe…\n“saccaṁ kira tumhe, bhikkhave, aviññuṁ purisaviggahaṁ upanisīdāpetvā mātugāmassa uttarichappañcavācāhi dhammaṁ desethā”ti?\n“Saccaṁ, bhagavā”ti.\nVigarahi buddho bhagavā …pe…\nkathañhi nāma tumhe, moghapurisā, aviññuṁ purisaviggahaṁ upanisīdāpetvā mātugāmassa uttarichappañcavācāhi dhammaṁ desessatha.\nNetaṁ, moghapurisā, appasannānaṁ vā pasādāya …pe…\nevañca pana, bhikkhave, imaṁ sikkhāpadaṁ uddiseyyātha—"}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:3.11","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:3.11.0","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:3.11.1"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"Final ruling\n‘If a monk gives a teaching of more than five or six sentences to a woman, except in the presence of a man who understands, he commits an offense entailing confession.’”","pi":"“Yo pana bhikkhu mātugāmassa uttarichappañcavācāhi dhammaṁ deseyya, aññatra viññunā purisaviggahena, pācittiyan”ti."}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:4.1","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:4.1.0","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:4.1.1","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:4.1.2","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:4.1.3","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:4.1.4","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:4.1.5","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:4.1.6","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:4.1.7","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:4.1.8","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:4.1.9","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:4.1.10","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:4.1.11","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:4.1.12","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:4.1.13","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:4.1.14","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:4.1.15","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:4.1.16","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:4.1.17"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"Definitions\nA:\nwhoever …\nMonk:\n…The monk who has been given the full ordination by a unanimous Sangha through a legal procedure consisting of one motion and three announcements that is irreversible and fit to stand—this sort of monk is meant in this case.\nA woman:\na human female, not a female spirit, not a female ghost, not a female animal. She understands and is capable of discerning good and bad speech, what is decent and what is indecent.\nMore than five or six sentences:\nin excess of five or six sentences.\nA teaching:\nwhat has been spoken by the Buddha, what has been spoken by disciples, what has been spoken by sages, what has been spoken by gods, what is connected with what is beneficial, what is connected with the Teaching.\nGives:\nif he teaches by the line, then for every line he commits an offense entailing confession.\nIf he teaches by the syllable, then for every syllable he commits an offense entailing confession.\nExcept in the presence of a man who understands:\nunless a man who understands is present.\nA man who understands:\none who is capable of discerning good and bad speech, what is decent and what is indecent.","pi":"Yo panāti\nyo yādiso …pe…\nbhikkhūti\n…pe… ayaṁ imasmiṁ atthe adhippeto bhikkhūti.\nMātugāmo nāma\nmanussitthī; na yakkhī na petī na tiracchānagatā; viññū, paṭibalā subhāsitadubbhāsitaṁ duṭṭhullāduṭṭhullaṁ ājānituṁ.\nUttarichappañcavācāhīti\natirekachappañcavācāhi.\nDhammo nāma\nbuddhabhāsito, sāvakabhāsito, isibhāsito, devatābhāsito, atthūpasañhito, dhammūpasañhito.\nDeseyyāti\npadena deseti, pade pade āpatti pācittiyassa.\nAkkharāya deseti, akkharakkharāya āpatti pācittiyassa.\nAññatra viññunā purisaviggahenāti\nṭhapetvā viññuṁ purisaviggahaṁ.\nViññū nāma purisaviggaho,\npaṭibalo hoti subhāsitadubbhāsitaṁ duṭṭhullāduṭṭhullaṁ ājānituṁ."}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:4.2","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:4.2.0","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:4.2.1","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:4.2.2","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:4.2.3","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:4.2.4","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:4.2.5","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:4.2.6","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:4.2.7"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"Permutations\nIf it is a woman, and he perceives her as such, and he teaches her more than five or six sentences, except in the presence of a man who understands, he commits an offense entailing confession.\nIf it is a woman, but he is unsure of it, and he teaches her more than five or six sentences, except in the presence of a man who understands, he commits an offense entailing confession.\nIf it is a woman, but he does not perceive her as such, and he teaches her more than five or six sentences, except in the presence of a man who understands, he commits an offense entailing confession.\nIf he teaches more than five or six sentences to a female spirit, a female ghost, a paṇḍaka, or a female animal in the form of a woman, except in the presence of a man who understands, he commits an offense of wrong conduct.\nIf it is not a woman, but he perceives them as such, he commits an offense of wrong conduct.\nIf it is not a woman, but he is unsure of it, he commits an offense of wrong conduct.\nIf it is not a woman, and he does not perceive them as such, there is no offense.","pi":"Mātugāme mātugāmasaññī uttarichappañcavācāhi dhammaṁ deseti, aññatra viññunā purisaviggahena, āpatti pācittiyassa.\nMātugāme vematiko uttarichappañcavācāhi dhammaṁ deseti, aññatra viññunā purisaviggahena, āpatti pācittiyassa.\nMātugāme amātugāmasaññī uttarichappañcavācāhi dhammaṁ deseti, aññatra viññunā purisaviggahena, āpatti pācittiyassa.\nYakkhiyā vā petiyā vā paṇḍakassa vā tiracchānagatamanussaviggahitthiyā vā uttarichappañcavācāhi dhammaṁ deseti, aññatra viññunā purisaviggahena, āpatti dukkaṭassa.\nAmātugāme mātugāmasaññī, āpatti dukkaṭassa.\nAmātugāme vematiko, āpatti dukkaṭassa.\nAmātugāme amātugāmasaññī, anāpatti."}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:4.3","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:4.3.0","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:4.3.1","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:4.3.2","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:4.3.3","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:4.3.4","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:4.3.5","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:4.3.6","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:4.3.7","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:4.3.8","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:4.3.9","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:4.3.10","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:4.3.11","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:4.3.12","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7:4.3.13"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"Non-offenses\nThere is no offense:\nif a man who understands is present;\nif he teaches five or six sentences;\nif he teaches fewer than five or six sentences;\nif he gets up, sits down again, and then teaches;\nif the woman gets up and sits down again, and he then teaches her;\nif he teaches another woman;\nif he asks a question;\nif he is asked a question and then speaks;\nif he is speaking for the benefit of someone else and a woman listens in;\nif he is insane;\nif he is the first offender.\nThe training rule on teaching a woman alone, the seventh, is finished.","pi":"Anāpatti—\nviññunā purisaviggahena,\nchappañcavācāhi dhammaṁ deseti,\nūnakachappañcavācāhi dhammaṁ deseti,\nuṭṭhahitvā puna nisīditvā deseti,\nmātugāmo uṭṭhahitvā puna nisīdati tasmiṁ deseti,\naññassa mātugāmassa deseti,\npañhaṁ pucchati,\npañhaṁ puṭṭho katheti,\naññassatthāya bhaṇantaṁ mātugāmo suṇāti,\nummattakassa,\nādikammikassāti.\nDhammadesanāsikkhāpadaṁ niṭṭhitaṁ sattamaṁ."}}]}],"sourceRevision":"afdafa92450cfe7573b280da50382888323666d2","sourceUrl":"https://suttacentral.net/pli-tv-bu-vb-pc7/en/brahmali","licence":"CC0 1.0","licenceUrl":"https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/","editionNote":"Full supplied source file; inherited abbreviations are preserved. Not a reconstructed expansion of every repetition. No Malay or Mandarin translation is implied."}