{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71","title":"Not accepting legitimate correction","languageCodes":["en","pi"],"languageNotes":{"en":"Bhikkhu Brahmāli · CC0","pi":"Mahāsaṅgīti edition · SuttaCentral"},"chapters":[{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71","title":"Not accepting legitimate correction","units":[{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:0","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:0.1","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:0.2","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:0.3","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:0.4","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:0.5"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Theravāda Vinaya\nMahāvibhaṅga\nPācittiyakaṇḍa\nSahadhammikavagga\n71. Sahadhammikasikkhāpada","en":"Theravāda Collection on Monastic Law\nThe Great Analysis\nThe chapter on offenses entailing confession\nThe subchapter on legitimate correction\nNot accepting legitimate correction"}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:1","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:1.0","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:1.1","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:1.2","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:1.3","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:1.4","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:1.5","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:1.6","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:1.7","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:1.8","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:1.9","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:1.10","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:1.11","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:1.12","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:1.13","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:1.14","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:1.15","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:1.16","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:1.17","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:1.18"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"Origin story\nAt one time when the Buddha was staying at Kosambī in Ghosita’s Monastery,\nVenerable Channa was misbehaving.\nThe monks told him,\n“Don’t do that, Channa,\nit’s not allowable,”\nand he would reply,\n“I won’t practice this training rule until I’ve questioned a monk who is an expert on the Monastic Law.”\nThe monks of few desires complained and criticized him,\n“How could Venerable Channa say this when legitimately corrected by the monks?” …\n“Is it true, Channa, that you said this?”\n“It’s true, sir.”\nThe Buddha rebuked him …\n“Foolish man, how could you say this when legitimately corrected by the monks?\nThis will affect people’s confidence …” …\n“And, monks, this training rule should be recited like this:","pi":"Tena samayena buddho bhagavā kosambiyaṁ viharati ghositārāme.\nTena kho pana samayena āyasmā channo anācāraṁ ācarati.\nBhikkhū evamāhaṁsu—\n“māvuso channa, evarūpaṁ akāsi.\nNetaṁ kappatī”ti.\nSo evaṁ vadeti—\n“na tāvāhaṁ, āvuso, etasmiṁ sikkhāpade sikkhissāmi yāva na aññaṁ bhikkhuṁ byattaṁ vinayadharaṁ paripucchāmī”ti.\nYe te bhikkhū appicchā …pe… te ujjhāyanti khiyyanti vipācenti—\n“kathañhi nāma āyasmā channo bhikkhūhi sahadhammikaṁ vuccamāno evaṁ vakkhati—\n‘na tāvāhaṁ, āvuso, etasmiṁ sikkhāpade sikkhissāmi yāva na aññaṁ bhikkhuṁ byattaṁ vinayadharaṁ paripucchāmī’”ti …pe…\n“saccaṁ kira tvaṁ, channa, bhikkhūhi sahadhammikaṁ vuccamāno evaṁ vadesi—\n‘na tāvāhaṁ, āvuso, etasmiṁ sikkhāpade sikkhissāmi yāva na aññaṁ bhikkhuṁ byattaṁ vinayadharaṁ paripucchāmī’”ti?\n“Saccaṁ, bhagavā”ti.\nVigarahi buddho bhagavā …pe…\nkathañhi nāma tvaṁ, moghapurisa, bhikkhūhi sahadhammikaṁ vuccamāno evaṁ vakkhasi—\n‘na tāvāhaṁ, āvuso, etasmiṁ sikkhāpade sikkhissāmi yāva na aññaṁ bhikkhuṁ byattaṁ vinayadharaṁ paripucchāmī’ti.\nNetaṁ, moghapurisa, appasannānaṁ vā pasādāya …pe…\nevañca pana, bhikkhave, imaṁ sikkhāpadaṁ uddiseyyātha—"}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:1.19","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:1.19.0","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:1.19.1"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"Final ruling\n‘If a monk, when legitimately corrected by the monks, says, “I won’t practice this training rule until I’ve questioned a monk who is an expert on the Monastic Law,” he commits an offense entailing confession.","pi":"“Yo pana bhikkhu bhikkhūhi sahadhammikaṁ vuccamāno evaṁ vadeyya—‘na tāvāhaṁ, āvuso, etasmiṁ sikkhāpade sikkhissāmi yāva na aññaṁ bhikkhuṁ byattaṁ vinayadharaṁ paripucchāmī’ti, pācittiyaṁ."}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:1-from-pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71-1.20","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:1.20"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Sikkhamānena, bhikkhave, bhikkhunā aññātabbaṁ paripucchitabbaṁ paripañhitabbaṁ. Ayaṁ tattha sāmīcī”ti.","en":"A monk who is training should understand, should question, should enquire. This is the proper procedure.’”"}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:2.1","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:2.1.0","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:2.1.1","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:2.1.2","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:2.1.3","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:2.1.4","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:2.1.5","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:2.1.6","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:2.1.7","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:2.1.8","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:2.1.9"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"Definitions\nA:\nwhoever …\nMonk:\n… The monk who has been given the full ordination by a unanimous Sangha through a legal procedure consisting of one motion and three announcements that is irreversible and fit to stand—this sort of monk is meant in this case.\nBy the monks:\nby other monks.\nLegitimately:\nthe training rules laid down by the Buddha—this is called “legitimately”.\nWhen corrected in regard to this, he says, “I won’t practice this training rule until I’ve questioned a monk who’s an expert on the Monastic Law.” If he says, “I’ll question one who’s wise,” “I’ll question one who’s competent,” “I’ll question one who’s intelligent,” “I’ll question one who’s learned,” “I’ll question an expounder of the Teaching,” he commits an offense entailing confession.","pi":"Yo panāti\nyo yādiso …pe…\nbhikkhūti\n…pe… ayaṁ imasmiṁ atthe adhippeto bhikkhūti.\nBhikkhūhīti\naññehi bhikkhūhi.\nSahadhammikaṁ nāma\nyaṁ bhagavatā paññattaṁ sikkhāpadaṁ etaṁ sahadhammikaṁ nāma.\nTena vuccamāno evaṁ vadeti— “na tāvāhaṁ, āvuso, etasmiṁ sikkhāpade sikkhissāmi yāva na aññaṁ bhikkhuṁ byattaṁ vinayadharaṁ paripucchāmī”ti. Paṇḍitaṁ byattaṁ medhāviṁ bahussutaṁ dhammakathikaṁ paripucchāmīti bhaṇati, āpatti pācittiyassa."}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:2.2","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:2.2.0","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:2.2.1","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:2.2.2","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:2.2.3","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:2.2.4","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:2.2.5","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:2.2.6","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:2.2.7","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:2.2.8","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:2.2.9","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:2.2.10"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"Permutations\nIf the one who corrects him is fully ordained, and he perceives him as such, and he says such a thing, he commits an offense entailing confession.\nIf the one who corrects him is fully ordained, but he is unsure of it, and he says such a thing, he commits an offense entailing confession.\nIf the one who corrects him is fully ordained, but he does not perceive him as such, and he says such a thing, he commits an offense entailing confession.\nIf he is corrected about something that has not been laid down:\n“This isn’t conducive to self-effacement,” “This isn’t conducive to ascetic practices,” “This isn’t conducive to being inspiring,” “This isn’t conducive to a reduction in things,” “This isn’t conducive to being energetic,” and he says, “I won’t practice this training rule until I’ve questioned a monk who’s competent,” “… until I’ve questioned a monk who’s an expert on the Monastic Law,” “… until I’ve questioned a monk who’s wise,” “… until I’ve questioned a monk who’s intelligent,” “… until I’ve questioned a monk who’s learned,” “… until I’ve questioned a monk who’s an expounder of the Teaching,” he commits an offense of wrong conduct.\nIf he is corrected by one who is not fully ordained about something that has or has not been laid down:\n“This isn’t conducive to self-effacement,” “This isn’t conducive to ascetic practices,” “This isn’t conducive to being inspiring,” “This isn’t conducive to a reduction in things,” “This isn’t conducive to being energetic,” and he says, “I won’t practice this training rule until I’ve questioned a monk who’s competent,” “… until I’ve questioned a monk who’s an expert on the Monastic Law,” “… until I’ve questioned a monk who’s wise,” “… until I’ve questioned a monk who’s intelligent,” “… until I’ve questioned a monk who’s learned,” “… until I’ve questioned a monk who’s an expounder of the Teaching,” he commits an offense of wrong conduct.\nIf the one who corrects him is not fully ordained, but he perceives them as such, he commits an offense of wrong conduct.\nIf the one who corrects him is not fully ordained, but he is unsure of it, he commits an offense of wrong conduct.\nIf the one who corrects him is not fully ordained, and he does not perceive them as such, he commits an offense of wrong conduct.","pi":"Upasampanne upasampannasaññī evaṁ vadeti, āpatti pācittiyassa.\nUpasampanne vematiko evaṁ vadeti, āpatti pācittiyassa.\nUpasampanne anupasampannasaññī evaṁ vadeti, āpatti pācittiyassa.\nApaññattena vuccamāno—\n“idaṁ na sallekhāya na dhutatthāya na pāsādikatāya na apacayāya na vīriyārambhāya saṁvattatī”ti evaṁ vadeti, “na tāvāhaṁ, āvuso, etasmiṁ sikkhāpade sikkhissāmi yāva na aññaṁ bhikkhuṁ byattaṁ vinayadharaṁ paṇḍitaṁ medhāviṁ bahussutaṁ dhammakathikaṁ paripucchāmī”ti bhaṇati, āpatti dukkaṭassa.\nAnupasampannena paññattena vā apaññattena vā vuccamāno—\n“idaṁ na sallekhāya na dhutatthāya na pāsādikatāya na apacayāya na vīriyārambhāya saṁvattatī”ti evaṁ vadeti, “na tāvāhaṁ, āvuso, etasmiṁ sikkhāpade sikkhissāmi yāva na aññaṁ bhikkhuṁ byattaṁ vinayadharaṁ paṇḍitaṁ medhāviṁ bahussutaṁ dhammakathikaṁ paripucchāmī”ti bhaṇati, āpatti dukkaṭassa.\nAnupasampanne upasampannasaññī, āpatti dukkaṭassa.\nAnupasampanne vematiko, āpatti dukkaṭassa.\nAnupasampanne anupasampannasaññī, āpatti dukkaṭassa."}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:2.2.11","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:2.2.11.0","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:2.2.11.1"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"More Definitions\nWho is training:","pi":"Sikkhamānenāti"}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:2.2-from-pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71-2.2.12","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:2.2.12","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:2.2.13","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:2.2.14","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:2.2.15","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:2.2.16","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:2.2.17","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:2.2.18","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:2.2.19","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:2.2.20"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"sikkhitukāmena.\nAññātabbanti\njānitabbaṁ.\nParipucchitabbanti\n“idaṁ, bhante, kathaṁ; imassa vā kvattho”ti?\nParipañhitabbanti\ncintetabbaṁ tulayitabbaṁ.\nAyaṁ tattha sāmīcīti\nayaṁ tattha anudhammatā.","en":"who wants to train.\nShould understand:\nshould find out.\nShould question:\nshould ask, “Venerable, how is this? What’s the meaning of this?”\nShould enquire:\nshould reflect, should weigh up.\nThis is the proper procedure:\nthis is the right method."}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:2.3","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:2.3.0","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:2.3.1","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:2.3.2","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:2.3.3","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:2.3.4","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71:2.3.5"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"Non-offenses\nThere is no offense:\nif he says, “I’ll find out and I’ll train;”\nif he is insane;\nif he is the first offender.\nThe training rule on not accepting legitimate correction, the first, is finished.","pi":"Anāpatti—\n“jānissāmi sikkhissāmī”ti bhaṇati,\nummattakassa,\nādikammikassāti.\nSahadhammikasikkhāpadaṁ niṭṭhitaṁ paṭhamaṁ."}}]}],"sourceRevision":"afdafa92450cfe7573b280da50382888323666d2","sourceUrl":"https://suttacentral.net/pli-tv-bu-vb-pc71/en/brahmali","licence":"CC0 1.0","licenceUrl":"https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/","editionNote":"Full supplied source file; inherited abbreviations are preserved. Not a reconstructed expansion of every repetition. No Malay or Mandarin translation is implied."}