{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-pc79","title":"Criticizing a legitimate legal procedure","languageCodes":["en","pi"],"languageNotes":{"en":"Bhikkhu Brahmāli · CC0","pi":"Mahāsaṅgīti edition · SuttaCentral"},"chapters":[{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-pc79","title":"Criticizing a legitimate legal procedure","units":[{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-pc79:0","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-pc79:0.1","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc79:0.2","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc79:0.3","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc79:0.4","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc79:0.5"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Theravāda Vinaya\nMahāvibhaṅga\nPācittiyakaṇḍa\nSahadhammikavagga\n79. Kammapaṭibāhanasikkhāpada","en":"Theravāda Collection on Monastic Law\nThe Great Analysis\nThe chapter on offenses entailing confession\nThe subchapter on legitimate correction\nCriticizing a legitimate legal procedure"}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-pc79:1","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-pc79:1.0","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc79:1.1","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc79:1.2","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc79:1.3","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc79:1.4","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc79:1.5","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc79:1.6","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc79:1.7","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc79:1.8","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc79:1.9","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc79:1.10","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc79:1.11","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc79:1.12","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc79:1.13","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc79:1.14","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc79:1.15","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc79:1.16","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc79:1.17","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc79:1.18","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc79:1.19","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc79:1.20","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc79:1.21"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"Origin story\nAt one time when the Buddha was staying at Sāvatthī in Anāthapiṇḍika’s Monastery,\nthe monks from the group of six were misbehaving, but when a legal procedure was being done against any one of them, they would object.\nOn one occasion the Sangha had gathered on some business.\nThe monks from the group of six were busy making robes and so they gave their consent to one among them.\nWhen the monks saw that only one monk from the group of six had come, they did a legal procedure against him.\nWhen he returned to the monks from the group of six,\nthey asked him,\n“What did the Sangha do?”\n“It did a legal procedure against me.”\n“We didn’t give our consent for that.\nIf we had known that a procedure would be done against you, we wouldn’t have given our consent.”\nThe monks of few desires complained and criticized them,\n“How could the monks from the group of six give their consent to legitimate legal procedures and then criticize them afterwards?” …\n“Is it true, monks, that you did this?”\n“It’s true, sir.”\nThe Buddha rebuked them …\n“Foolish men, how could you do this?\nThis will affect people’s confidence …” …\n“And, monks, this training rule should be recited like this:","pi":"Tena samayena buddho bhagavā sāvatthiyaṁ viharati jetavane anāthapiṇḍikassa ārāme.\nTena kho pana samayena chabbaggiyā bhikkhū anācāraṁ ācaritvā ekamekassa kamme kayiramāne paṭikkosanti.\nTena kho pana samayena saṅgho sannipatito hoti kenacideva karaṇīyena.\nChabbaggiyā bhikkhū cīvarakammaṁ karontā ekassa chandaṁ adaṁsu.\nAtha kho saṅgho—\n“ayaṁ, āvuso, chabbaggiyo bhikkhu ekako āgato, handassa mayaṁ kammaṁ karomā”ti tassa kammaṁ akāsi.\nAtha kho so bhikkhu yena chabbaggiyā bhikkhū tenupasaṅkami.\nChabbaggiyā bhikkhū taṁ bhikkhuṁ etadavocuṁ—\n“kiṁ, āvuso, saṅgho akāsī”ti?\n“Saṅgho me, āvuso, kammaṁ akāsī”ti.\n“Na mayaṁ, āvuso, etadatthāya chandaṁ adamhā—\n‘tuyhaṁ kammaṁ karissatī’ti.\nSace ca mayaṁ jāneyyāma ‘tuyhaṁ kammaṁ karissatī’ti, na mayaṁ chandaṁ dadeyyāmā”ti.\nYe te bhikkhū appicchā …pe… te ujjhāyanti khiyyanti vipācenti—\n“kathañhi nāma chabbaggiyā bhikkhū dhammikānaṁ kammānaṁ chandaṁ datvā pacchā khīyanadhammaṁ āpajjissantī”ti …pe…\n“saccaṁ kira tumhe, bhikkhave, dhammikānaṁ kammānaṁ chandaṁ datvā pacchā khīyanadhammaṁ āpajjathā”ti?\n“Saccaṁ, bhagavā”ti.\nVigarahi buddho bhagavā …pe…\nkathañhi nāma tumhe, moghapurisā, dhammikānaṁ kammānaṁ chandaṁ datvā pacchā khīyanadhammaṁ āpajjissatha.\nNetaṁ, moghapurisā, appasannānaṁ vā pasādāya …pe…\nevañca pana, bhikkhave, imaṁ sikkhāpadaṁ uddiseyyātha—"}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-pc79:1.22","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-pc79:1.22.0","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc79:1.22.1"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"Final ruling\n‘If a monk gives his consent to legitimate legal procedures, and then criticizes them afterwards, he commits an offense entailing confession.’”","pi":"“Yo pana bhikkhu dhammikānaṁ kammānaṁ chandaṁ datvā pacchā khīyanadhammaṁ āpajjeyya, pācittiyan”ti."}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-pc79:2.1","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-pc79:2.1.0","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc79:2.1.1","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc79:2.1.2","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc79:2.1.3","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc79:2.1.4","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc79:2.1.5","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc79:2.1.6","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc79:2.1.7"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"Definitions\nA:\nwhoever …\nMonk:\n… The monk who has been given the full ordination by a unanimous Sangha through a legal procedure consisting of one motion and three announcements that is irreversible and fit to stand—this sort of monk is meant in this case.\nA legitimate legal procedure:\na legal procedure consisting of getting permission, a legal procedure consisting of one motion, a legal procedure consisting of one motion and one announcement, a legal procedure consisting of one motion and three announcements; done according to the Teaching, according to the Monastic Law, according to the Teacher’s instruction. This is called a “legitimate legal procedure”.\nIf he gives his consent, and then criticizes the procedure, he commits an offense entailing confession.","pi":"Yo panāti\nyo yādiso …pe…\nbhikkhūti\n…pe… ayaṁ imasmiṁ atthe adhippeto bhikkhūti.\nDhammikaṁ nāma kammaṁ\napalokanakammaṁ ñattikammaṁ ñattidutiyakammaṁ ñatticatutthakammaṁ dhammena vinayena satthusāsanena kataṁ, etaṁ dhammikaṁ nāma kammaṁ.\nChandaṁ datvā khiyyati āpatti pācittiyassa."}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-pc79:2.2","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-pc79:2.2.0","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc79:2.2.1","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc79:2.2.2","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc79:2.2.3","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc79:2.2.4","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc79:2.2.5","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc79:2.2.6"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"Permutations\nIf it is a legitimate legal procedure, and he perceives it as such, and he criticizes it after giving his consent, he commits an offense entailing confession.\nIf it is a legitimate legal procedure, but he is unsure of it, and he criticizes it after giving his consent, he commits an offense of wrong conduct.\nIf it is a legitimate legal procedure, but he perceives it as illegitimate, and he criticizes it after giving his consent, there is no offense.\nIf it is an illegitimate legal procedure, but he perceives it as legitimate, he commits an offense of wrong conduct.\nIf it is an illegitimate legal procedure, but he is unsure of it, he commits an offense of wrong conduct.\nIf it is an illegitimate legal procedure, and he perceives it as such, there is no offense.","pi":"Dhammakamme dhammakammasaññī chandaṁ datvā khiyyati, āpatti pācittiyassa.\nDhammakamme vematiko chandaṁ datvā khiyyati, āpatti dukkaṭassa.\nDhammakamme adhammakammasaññī chandaṁ datvā khiyyati, anāpatti.\nAdhammakamme dhammakammasaññī, āpatti dukkaṭassa.\nAdhammakamme vematiko, āpatti dukkaṭassa.\nAdhammakamme adhammakammasaññī, anāpatti."}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-pc79:2.3","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-pc79:2.3.0","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc79:2.3.1","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc79:2.3.2","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc79:2.3.3","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc79:2.3.4","pli-tv-bu-vb-pc79:2.3.5"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"Non-offenses\nThere is no offense:\nif he criticizes it because he knows that the legal procedure was illegitimate, done by an incomplete assembly, or done against one who did not deserve it;\nif he is insane;\nif he is the first offender.\nThe training rule on criticizing a legitimate legal procedure, the ninth, is finished.","pi":"Anāpatti—\n“adhammena vā vaggena vā na kammārahassa vā kammaṁ katan”ti jānanto khiyyati,\nummattakassa,\nādikammikassāti.\nKammapaṭibāhanasikkhāpadaṁ niṭṭhitaṁ navamaṁ."}}]}],"sourceRevision":"afdafa92450cfe7573b280da50382888323666d2","sourceUrl":"https://suttacentral.net/pli-tv-bu-vb-pc79/en/brahmali","licence":"CC0 1.0","licenceUrl":"https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/","editionNote":"Full supplied source file; inherited abbreviations are preserved. Not a reconstructed expansion of every repetition. No Malay or Mandarin translation is implied."}