{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2","title":"Letting a nun give directions to donors","languageCodes":["en","pi"],"languageNotes":{"en":"Bhikkhu Brahmāli · CC0","pi":"Mahāsaṅgīti edition · SuttaCentral"},"chapters":[{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2","title":"Letting a nun give directions to donors","units":[{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:0","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:0.1","pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:0.2","pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:0.3","pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:0.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Theravāda Vinaya\nMahāvibhaṅga\nPāṭidesanīyakaṇḍa\n2. Dutiyapāṭidesanīyasikkhāpada","en":"Theravāda Collection on Monastic Law\nThe Great Analysis\nThe chapter on offenses entailing acknowledgment\nLetting a nun give directions to donors"}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:1","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:1.0","pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:1.1","pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:1.2","pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:1.3","pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:1.4","pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:1.5","pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:1.6","pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:1.7","pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:1.8","pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:1.9","pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:1.10","pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:1.11","pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:1.12","pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:1.13","pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:1.14"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"Origin story\nAt one time the Buddha was staying at Rājagaha in the Bamboo Grove, the squirrel sanctuary.\nAt that time, when families invited monks to meals,\nthe nuns from the group of six were directing people toward the monks from the group of six, saying,\n“Give curry here; give rice there.”\nThe monks from the group of six ate as much as they wanted,\nbut not so the other monks.\nThe monks of few desires complained and criticized them,\n“How could the monks from the group of six not restrain the nuns from giving directions?” …\n“Is it true, monks, that you didn’t do this?”\n“It’s true, sir.”\nThe Buddha rebuked them …\n“Foolish men, how could you not do this?\nThis will affect people’s confidence …” …\n“And, monks, this training rule should be recited like this:","pi":"Tena samayena buddho bhagavā rājagahe viharati veḷuvane kalandakanivāpe.\nTena kho pana samayena bhikkhū kulesu nimantitā bhuñjanti.\nChabbaggiyā bhikkhuniyo chabbaggiyānaṁ bhikkhūnaṁ vosāsantiyo ṭhitā honti—\n“idha sūpaṁ detha, idha odanaṁ dethā”ti.\nChabbaggiyā bhikkhū yāvadatthaṁ bhuñjanti.\nAññe bhikkhū na cittarūpaṁ bhuñjanti.\nYe te bhikkhū appicchā …pe… te ujjhāyanti khiyyanti vipācenti—\n“kathañhi nāma chabbaggiyā bhikkhū bhikkhuniyo vosāsantiyo na nivāressantī”ti …pe…\n“saccaṁ kira tumhe, bhikkhave, bhikkhuniyo vosāsantiyo na nivārethā”ti?\n“Saccaṁ, bhagavā”ti.\nVigarahi buddho bhagavā …pe…\nkathañhi nāma tumhe, moghapurisā, bhikkhuniyo vosāsantiyo na nivāressatha.\nNetaṁ, moghapurisā, appasannānaṁ vā pasādāya …pe…\nevañca pana, bhikkhave, imaṁ sikkhāpadaṁ uddiseyyātha—"}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:1.15","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:1.15.0","pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:1.15.1"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"Final ruling\n‘When monks eat by invitation to families, if a nun is there giving directions, saying, “Give bean curry here; give rice there,” then those monks should stop her: “Stop, sister, while the monks are eating.” If not even a single monk addresses that nun in this way to stop her, they must acknowledge it:","pi":"“Bhikkhū paneva kulesu nimantitā bhuñjanti, tatra ce sā bhikkhunī vosāsamānarūpā ṭhitā hoti—‘idha sūpaṁ detha, idha odanaṁ dethā’ti, tehi bhikkhūhi sā bhikkhunī apasādetabbā— ‘apasakka tāva, bhagini, yāva bhikkhū bhuñjantī’ti. Ekassa cepi bhikkhuno na paṭibhāseyya taṁ bhikkhuniṁ apasādetuṁ— ‘apasakka tāva, bhagini, yāva bhikkhū bhuñjantī’ti paṭidesetabbaṁ tehi bhikkhūhi—"}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:1-from-pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2-1.16","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:1.16"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"‘gārayhaṁ, āvuso, dhammaṁ āpajjimhā asappāyaṁ pāṭidesanīyaṁ, taṁ paṭidesemā’”ti.","en":"“We have done a blameworthy and unsuitable thing which is to be acknowledged. We acknowledge it.”’”"}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:2.1","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:2.1.0","pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:2.1.1","pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:2.1.2","pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:2.1.3","pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:2.1.4","pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:2.1.5","pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:2.1.6","pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:2.1.7","pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:2.1.8","pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:2.1.9","pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:2.1.10","pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:2.1.11","pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:2.1.12","pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:2.1.13","pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:2.1.14","pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:2.1.15"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"Definitions\nWhen monks eat by invitation to families:\na family: there are four kinds of families: the aristocratic family, the brahmin family, the merchant family, the worker family.\nEat by invitation:\neat any of the five cooked foods by invitation.\nA nun:\nshe has been given the full ordination by both Sanghas.\nGiving directions:\nsaying, “Give bean curry here; give rice there,” according to friendship, according to companionship, according to who one is devoted to, according to being a co-student, according to being a co-pupil—this is called “giving directions”.\nThose monks:\nthe monks who are eating.\nHer:\nthe nun who is giving directions.\nThose monks should stop her: ‘Stop, sister, while the monks are eating’:\nif she is not stopped by even one monk, and a monk then receives fresh or cooked food with the intention of eating it, he commits an offense of wrong conduct.\nFor every mouthful swallowed, he commits an offense entailing acknowledgment.","pi":"Bhikkhū paneva kulesu nimantitā bhuñjantīti\nkulaṁ nāma cattāri kulāni— khattiyakulaṁ, brāhmaṇakulaṁ, vessakulaṁ, suddakulaṁ.\nNimantitā bhuñjantīti\npañcannaṁ bhojanānaṁ aññatarena bhojanena nimantitā bhuñjanti.\nBhikkhunī nāma\nubhatosaṅghe upasampannā.\nVosāsantī nāma\nyathāmittatā yathāsandiṭṭhatā yathāsambhattatā yathāsamānupajjhāyakatā yathāsamānācariyakatā— “idha sūpaṁ detha, idha odanaṁ dethā”ti. Esā vosāsantī nāma.\nTehi bhikkhūhīti\nbhuñjamānehi bhikkhūhi.\nSā bhikkhunīti\nyā sā vosāsantī bhikkhunī.\nTehi bhikkhūhi sā bhikkhunī apasādetabbā— “apasakka tāva, bhagini, yāva bhikkhū bhuñjantī”ti.\nEkassa cepi bhikkhuno anapasādito— “khādissāmi bhuñjissāmī”ti paṭiggaṇhāti, āpatti dukkaṭassa.\nAjjhohāre ajjhohāre āpatti pāṭidesanīyassa."}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:2.2","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:2.2.0","pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:2.2.1","pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:2.2.2","pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:2.2.3","pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:2.2.4","pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:2.2.5","pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:2.2.6","pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:2.2.7"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"Permutations\nIf she is fully ordained, and he perceives her as such, and he does not restrain her from giving directions, he commits an offense entailing acknowledgment.\nIf she is fully ordained, but he is unsure of it, and he does not restrain her from giving directions, he commits an offense entailing acknowledgment.\nIf she is fully ordained, but he does not perceive her as such, and he does not restrain her from giving directions, he commits an offense entailing acknowledgment.\nIf he does not restrain a nun who is fully ordained only on one side from giving directions, he commits an offense of wrong conduct.\nIf the person is not fully ordained, but he perceives them as such, he commits an offense of wrong conduct.\nIf the person is not fully ordained, but he is unsure of it, he commits an offense of wrong conduct.\nIf the person is not fully ordained, and he does not perceive them as such, there is no offense.","pi":"Upasampannāya upasampannasaññī vosāsantiyā na nivāreti, āpatti pāṭidesanīyassa.\nUpasampannāya vematiko vosāsantiyā na nivāreti, āpatti pāṭidesanīyassa.\nUpasampannāya anupasampannasaññī vosāsantiyā na nivāreti, āpatti pāṭidesanīyassa.\nEkatoupasampannāya vosāsantiyā na nivāreti, āpatti dukkaṭassa.\nAnupasampannāya upasampannasaññī, āpatti dukkaṭassa.\nAnupasampannāya vematiko, āpatti dukkaṭassa.\nAnupasampannāya anupasampannasaññī, anāpatti."}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:2.3","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:2.3.0","pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:2.3.1","pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:2.3.2","pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:2.3.3","pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:2.3.4","pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:2.3.5","pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:2.3.6","pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:2.3.7","pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:2.3.8","pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:2.3.9","pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:2.3.10","pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:2.3.11","pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2:2.3.12"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"Non-offenses\nThere is no offense:\nif a nun does not give it herself, but gets someone else to give her own food;\nif a nun does not get someone else to give it, but she gives someone else’s food herself;\nif a nun gets someone else to give what has not yet been given;\nif a nun gets someone else to give to someone who has not yet received anything;\nif a nun gets someone else to give equally to all;\nif a trainee nun is giving directions;\nif a novice nun is giving directions;\nif it is anything apart from the five kinds of cooked food;\nif he is insane;\nif he is the first offender.\nThe second training rule on letting a nun give directions to donors is finished.","pi":"Anāpatti—\nattano bhattaṁ dāpeti na deti,\naññesaṁ bhattaṁ deti na dāpeti,\nyaṁ na dinnaṁ taṁ dāpeti,\nyattha na dinnaṁ tattha dāpeti,\nsabbesaṁ samakaṁ dāpeti,\nsikkhamānā vosāsati,\nsāmaṇerī vosāsati,\npañca bhojanāni ṭhapetvā sabbattha, anāpatti,\nummattakassa,\nādikammikassāti.\nDutiyapāṭidesanīyasikkhāpadaṁ niṭṭhitaṁ."}}]}],"sourceRevision":"afdafa92450cfe7573b280da50382888323666d2","sourceUrl":"https://suttacentral.net/pli-tv-bu-vb-pd2/en/brahmali","licence":"CC0 1.0","licenceUrl":"https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/","editionNote":"Full supplied source file; inherited abbreviations are preserved. Not a reconstructed expansion of every repetition. No Malay or Mandarin translation is implied."}