{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3","title":"Indecent speech","languageCodes":["en","pi"],"languageNotes":{"en":"Bhikkhu Brahmāli · CC0","pi":"Mahāsaṅgīti edition · SuttaCentral"},"chapters":[{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3","title":"Indecent speech","units":[{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:0","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:0.1","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:0.2","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:0.3","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:0.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Theravāda Vinaya\nMahāvibhaṅga\nSaṅghādisesakaṇḍa\n3. Duṭṭhullavācāsikkhāpada","en":"Theravāda Collection on Monastic Law\nThe Great Analysis\nThe chapter on offenses entailing suspension\nIndecent speech"}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:1.1","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:1.1.0","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:1.1.1","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:1.1.2","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:1.1.3","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:1.1.4","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:1.1.5","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:1.1.6","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:1.1.7","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:1.1.8","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:1.1.9","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:1.1.10","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:1.1.11","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:1.1.12"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"Origin story\nAt one time the Buddha was staying at Sāvatthī in the Jeta Grove, Anāthapiṇḍika’s Monastery.\nAt that time Venerable Udāyī was staying in a beautiful dwelling in the wilderness.\nOn one occasion a number of women came to the monastery to see the dwellings.\nThey approached Udāyī\nand said,\n“Venerable, we would like to see your dwelling.”\nThen, after showing them his dwelling, he praised and disparaged their private parts; he requested and implored, asked and enquired, described, instructed, and abused their private parts.\nThe shameless and indecent women flirted with Udāyī; they called out to him, laughed with him, and teased him.\nBut after leaving, those of them who had a sense of shame complained to the monks,\n“Venerables, this isn’t suitable or appropriate.\nWe wouldn’t want to hear such speech from our own husbands, let alone from Venerable Udāyī.”","pi":"Tena samayena buddho bhagavā sāvatthiyaṁ viharati jetavane anāthapiṇḍikassa ārāme.\nTena kho pana samayena āyasmā udāyī araññe viharati.\nTassāyasmato vihāro abhirūpo hoti dassanīyo pāsādiko.\nTena kho pana samayena sambahulā itthiyo ārāmaṁ āgamaṁsu vihārapekkhikāyo.\nAtha kho tā itthiyo yenāyasmā udāyī tenupasaṅkamiṁsu;\nupasaṅkamitvā āyasmantaṁ udāyiṁ etadavocuṁ—\n“icchāma mayaṁ, bhante, ayyassa vihāraṁ pekkhitun”ti.\nAtha kho āyasmā udāyī tā itthiyo vihāraṁ pekkhāpetvā tāsaṁ itthīnaṁ vaccamaggaṁ passāvamaggaṁ ādissa vaṇṇampi bhaṇati avaṇṇampi bhaṇati yācatipi āyācatipi pucchatipi paṭipucchatipi ācikkhatipi anusāsatipi akkosatipi.\nYā tā itthiyo chinnikā dhuttikā ahirikāyo tā āyasmatā udāyinā saddhiṁ uhasantipi ullapantipi ujjagghantipi uppaṇḍentipi.\nYā pana tā itthiyo hirimanā tā nikkhamitvā bhikkhū ujjhāpenti—\n“idaṁ, bhante, nacchannaṁ nappatirūpaṁ.\nSāmikenapi mayaṁ evaṁ vuttā na iccheyyāma, kiṁ panāyyena udāyinā”ti."}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:1.2","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:1.2.1","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:1.2.2","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:1.2.3","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:1.2.4","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:1.2.5","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:1.2.6","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:1.2.7","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:1.2.8","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:1.2.9","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:1.2.10","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:1.2.11","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:1.2.12","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:1.2.13"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Ye te bhikkhū appicchā …pe… te ujjhāyanti khiyyanti vipācenti—\n“kathañhi nāma āyasmā udāyī mātugāmaṁ duṭṭhullāhi vācāhi obhāsissatī”ti.\nAtha kho te bhikkhū āyasmantaṁ udāyiṁ anekapariyāyena vigarahitvā bhagavato etamatthaṁ ārocesuṁ.\nAtha kho bhagavā etasmiṁ nidāne etasmiṁ pakaraṇe bhikkhusaṅghaṁ sannipātāpetvā āyasmantaṁ udāyiṁ paṭipucchi—\n“saccaṁ kira tvaṁ, udāyi, mātugāmaṁ duṭṭhullāhi vācāhi obhāsasī”ti?\n“Saccaṁ, bhagavā”ti.\nVigarahi buddho bhagavā—\n“ananucchavikaṁ, moghapurisa, ananulomikaṁ appatirūpaṁ assāmaṇakaṁ akappiyaṁ akaraṇīyaṁ.\nKathañhi nāma tvaṁ, moghapurisa, mātugāmaṁ duṭṭhullāhi vācāhi obhāsissasi.\nNanu mayā, moghapurisa, anekapariyāyena virāgāya dhammo desito no sarāgāya …pe…\nkāmapariḷāhānaṁ vūpasamo akkhāto.\nNetaṁ, moghapurisa, appasannānaṁ vā pasādāya …pe…\nevañca pana, bhikkhave, imaṁ sikkhāpadaṁ uddiseyyātha—","en":"The monks of few desires complained and criticized him,\n“How could Venerable Udāyī speak indecently to women?”\nThey rebuked Udāyī in many ways and told the Buddha.\nThe Buddha had the Sangha gathered and questioned Udāyī:\n“Is it true, Udāyī, that you spoke like this?”\n“It’s true, sir.”\nThe Buddha rebuked him,\n“It’s not suitable, foolish man, it’s not proper, it’s not worthy of a monastic, it’s not allowable, it’s not to be done.\nHow could you speak like this?\nHaven’t I given many teachings for the sake of dispassion, not for the sake of passion …\nthe stilling of the fevers of worldly pleasures?\nThis will affect people’s confidence …” …\n“And, monks, this training rule should be recited like this:"}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:1.2.14","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:1.2.14.0","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:1.2.14.1"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"Final ruling\n‘If a monk, overcome by lust and with a distorted mind, speaks indecent words to a woman, as a young man might to a young woman and referring to sexual intercourse, he commits an offense entailing suspension.’”","pi":"“Yo pana bhikkhu otiṇṇo vipariṇatena cittena mātugāmaṁ duṭṭhullāhi vācāhi obhāseyya yathā taṁ yuvā yuvatiṁ methunupasaṁhitāhi, saṅghādiseso”ti."}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:2","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:2.0","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:2.1","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:2.2","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:2.3","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:2.4","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:2.5","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:2.6","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:2.7","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:2.8","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:2.9","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:2.10","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:2.11","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:2.12","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:2.13","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:2.14","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:2.15","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:2.16","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:2.17","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:2.18","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:2.19","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:2.20","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:2.21"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"Definitions\nA:\nwhoever …\nMonk:\n… The monk who has been given the full ordination by a unanimous Sangha through a legal procedure consisting of one motion and three announcements that is irreversible and fit to stand—this sort of monk is meant in this case.\nOvercome by lust:\nhaving lust, longing for, in love with.\nDistorted:\na lustful mind is distorted; an angry mind is distorted; a confused mind is distorted.\nBut in this case “distorted” refers to the lustful mind.\nA woman:\na human female, not a female spirit, not a female ghost, not a female animal. She understands and is capable of discerning good and bad speech, what is decent and what is indecent.\nIndecent words:\nspeech connected with the anus, the vagina, or sexual intercourse.\nSpeaks:\nmisconduct is what is meant.\nAs a young man might to a young woman:\na male youth to a female youth, a boy to a girl, a male who indulges in worldly pleasures to a female who indulges in worldly pleasures.\nReferring to sexual intercourse:\nconnected with the sexual act.\nHe commits an offense entailing suspension:\n… Therefore, too, it is called an offense entailing suspension.","pi":"Yo panāti\nyo yādiso …pe…\nbhikkhūti\n…pe… ayaṁ imasmiṁ atthe adhippeto bhikkhūti.\nOtiṇṇo nāma\nsāratto apekkhavā paṭibaddhacitto.\nVipariṇatanti\nrattampi cittaṁ vipariṇataṁ, duṭṭhampi cittaṁ vipariṇataṁ mūḷhampi cittaṁ vipariṇataṁ.\nApi ca rattaṁ cittaṁ imasmiṁ atthe adhippetaṁ vipariṇatanti.\nMātugāmo nāma\nmanussitthī, na yakkhī, na petī, na tiracchānagatā. Viññū paṭibalā subhāsitadubbhāsitaṁ duṭṭhullāduṭṭhullaṁ ājānituṁ.\nDuṭṭhullā nāma\nvācā vaccamaggapassāvamaggamethunadhammappaṭisaṁyuttā vācā.\nObhāseyyāti\najjhācāro vuccati.\nYathā taṁ yuvā yuvatinti\ndaharo dahariṁ, taruṇo taruṇiṁ, kāmabhogī kāmabhoginiṁ.\nMethunupasaṁhitāhīti\nmethunadhammappaṭisaṁyuttāhi.\nSaṅghādisesoti\n…pe… tenapi vuccati saṅghādisesoti."}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.1.0","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.1.0.1","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.1.0.2"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"Permutations\nSummary"}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.1","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.1.1"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Dve magge ādissa vaṇṇampi bhaṇati, avaṇṇampi bhaṇati, yācatipi, āyācatipi, pucchatipi, paṭipucchatipi, ācikkhatipi, anusāsatipi, akkosatipi.","en":"Referring to the two private orifices, he praises, disparages, requests, implores, asks, enquires, describes, instructs, abuses."}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.1.2","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.1.2.0","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.1.2.1"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"Subdefinitions\nPraises:","pi":"Vaṇṇaṁ bhaṇati nāma"}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.1-from-pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3-3.1.3","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.1.3","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.1.4","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.1.5","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.1.6","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.1.7","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.1.8","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.1.9","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.1.10","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.1.11","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.1.12","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.1.13","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.1.14","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.1.15","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.1.16","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.1.17","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.1.18","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.1.19","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.1.20","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.1.21","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.1.22","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.1.23","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.1.24","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.1.25","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.1.26","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.1.27","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.1.28","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.1.29","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.1.30","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.1.31","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.1.32","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.1.33","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.1.34","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.1.35"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"dve magge thometi vaṇṇeti pasaṁsati.\nAvaṇṇaṁ bhaṇati nāma\ndve magge khuṁseti vambheti garahati.\nYācati nāma\ndehi me, arahasi me dātunti.\nĀyācati nāma\nkadā te mātā pasīdissati,\nkadā te pitā pasīdissati,\nkadā te devatāyo pasīdissanti,\nkadā sukhaṇo sulayo sumuhutto bhavissati,\nkadā te methunaṁ dhammaṁ labhissāmīti.\nPucchati nāma\nkathaṁ tvaṁ sāmikassa desi,\nkathaṁ jārassa desīti?\nPaṭipucchati nāma\nevaṁ kira tvaṁ sāmikassa desi,\nevaṁ jārassa desīti.\nĀcikkhati nāma\npuṭṭho bhaṇati— “evaṁ dehi. Evaṁ dentā sāmikassa piyā bhavissati manāpā cā”ti.\nAnusāsati nāma\napuṭṭho bhaṇati— “evaṁ dehi. Evaṁ dentā sāmikassa piyā bhavissati manāpā cā”ti.\nAkkosati nāma\nanimittāsi,\nnimittamattāsi,\nalohitāsi,\ndhuvalohitāsi,\ndhuvacoḷāsi,\npaggharantīsi,\nsikharaṇīsi,\nitthipaṇḍakāsi,\nvepurisikāsi,\nsambhinnāsi,\nubhatobyañjanāsīti.","en":"extols, praises, commends the two private orifices.\nDisparages:\ndespises, reviles, blames the two private orifices.\nRequests:\nsaying, “Give to me; you should give to me.”\nImplores:\nsaying, “When will you please your mother?”\n“When will you please your father?”\n“When will you please the gods?”\n“When will there be a good opportunity, a good time, a good moment?”\n“When will I have sexual intercourse with you?”\nAsks:\nsaying, “How do you give to your husband?”\n“How do you give to your lover?”\nEnquires:\nsaying, “So you give to your husband like this,\nand to your lover like this?”\nDescribes:\nwhen asked, he says, “Give like this. If you do, you’ll be dear and pleasing to your husband.”\nInstructs:\nwithout being asked, he says, “Give like this. If you do, you’ll be dear and pleasing to your husband.”\nAbuses:\nsaying, “You lack genitals;”\n“You have incomplete genitals;”\n“You don’t menstruate;”\n“You menstruate continuously;”\n“You always wear a menstruation pad;”\n“You’re incontinent;”\n“You have genital prolapse;”\n“You lack sexual organs;”\n“You’re manlike;”\n“You have fistula;”\n“You’re a gynandromorph.”"}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.2.0","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.2.0.1","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.2.0.2"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"Exposition\nReferring to the private parts of a single person or animal"}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.2","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.2.1","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.2.2","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.2.3"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Itthī ca hoti itthisaññī sāratto ca.\nBhikkhu ca naṁ itthiyā vaccamaggaṁ passāvamaggaṁ ādissa vaṇṇampi bhaṇati avaṇṇampi bhaṇati yācatipi āyācatipi pucchatipi paṭipucchatipi ācikkhatipi anusāsatipi akkosatipi, āpatti saṅghādisesassa.\n…pe….","en":"It is a woman, he perceives her as a woman, and he has lust.\nIf the monk, referring to the anus or the vagina of the woman, praises, disparages, requests, implores, asks, enquires, describes, instructs, or abuses, he commits an offense entailing suspension.\n… (To be expanded as in Bu Ss 2:3.1.3–3.1.49, with appropriate substitutions.) …"}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.2.4","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.2.4.0","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.2.4.1"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"Referring to the private parts of two beings of the same kind\nIt is two women, he perceives them both as women, and he has lust.","pi":"Dve itthiyo dvinnaṁ itthīnaṁ itthisaññī sāratto ca."}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.2-from-pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3-3.2.5","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.2.5","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.2.6","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.2.7"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Bhikkhu ca naṁ dvinnaṁ itthīnaṁ vaccamaggaṁ passāvamaggaṁ ādissa vaṇṇampi bhaṇati avaṇṇampi bhaṇati …pe…\nakkosatipi, āpatti dvinnaṁ saṅghādisesānaṁ.\n…pe…","en":"If the monk, referring to the anus or the vagina of both women, praises, disparages …\nor abuses, he commits two offenses entailing suspension.\n… (To be expanded as in Bu Ss 2:3.2.4–3.2.36, with appropriate substitutions.) …"}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.2.8","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.2.8.0","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.2.8.1"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"Referring to the private parts of two beings of different kinds\nIt is a woman and a paṇḍaka, but he perceives both as women, and he has lust.","pi":"Itthī ca paṇḍako ca ubhinnaṁ itthisaññī sāratto ca."}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.2-from-pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3-3.2.9","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.2.9","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.2.10","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.2.11"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Bhikkhu ca naṁ ubhinnaṁ vaccamaggaṁ passāvamaggaṁ ādissa vaṇṇampi bhaṇati avaṇṇampi bhaṇati …pe…\nakkosatipi, āpatti saṅghādisesena dukkaṭassa.\n…pe…","en":"If the monk, referring to the anus or the vagina of both of them, praises, disparages …\nor abuses, he commits one offense entailing suspension and one offense of wrong conduct.\n… (To be expanded as in Bu Ss 2:3.3.4–3.3.61, with appropriate substitutions.) …"}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.3","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.3.0","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.3.1","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.3.2","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.3.3","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.3.4","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.3.5","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.3.6","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.3.7","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.3.8","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.3.9"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"Referring to other parts of the body: below the collar bone and above the knees\nIt is a woman, he perceives her as a woman, and he has lust.\nIf the monk, referring to any part of the woman below the collar bone but above the knees, apart from the anus or the vagina, praises, disparages …\nor abuses, he commits a serious offense. …\nIt is two women, he perceives them both as women, and he has lust.\nIf the monk, referring to any part of both women below the collar bone but above the knees, apart from the anus or the vagina, praises, disparages …\nor abuses, he commits two serious offenses. …\nIt is a woman and a paṇḍaka, but he perceives both as women, and he has lust.\nIf the monk, referring to any part of both of them below the collar bone but above the knees, apart from the anus or the vagina, praises, disparages …\nor abuses, he commits one serious offense and one offense of wrong conduct. …","pi":"Itthī ca hoti itthisaññī sāratto ca.\nBhikkhu ca naṁ itthiyā vaccamaggaṁ passāvamaggaṁ ṭhapetvā adhakkhakaṁ ubbhajāṇumaṇḍalaṁ ādissa vaṇṇampi bhaṇati avaṇṇampi bhaṇati …pe…\nakkosatipi, āpatti thullaccayassa …pe….\nDve itthiyo dvinnaṁ itthīnaṁ itthisaññī sāratto ca.\nBhikkhu ca naṁ dvinnaṁ itthīnaṁ vaccamaggaṁ passāvamaggaṁ ṭhapetvā adhakkhakaṁ ubbhajāṇumaṇḍalaṁ ādissa vaṇṇampi bhaṇati avaṇṇampi bhaṇati …pe…\nakkosatipi, āpatti dvinnaṁ thullaccayānaṁ …pe….\nItthī ca paṇḍako ca ubhinnaṁ itthisaññī sāratto ca.\nBhikkhu ca naṁ ubhinnaṁ vaccamaggaṁ passāvamaggaṁ ṭhapetvā adhakkhakaṁ ubbhajāṇumaṇḍalaṁ ādissa vaṇṇampi bhaṇati avaṇṇampi bhaṇati …pe…\nakkosatipi, āpatti thullaccayena dukkaṭassa …pe…."}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.4","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.4.0","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.4.1","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.4.2","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.4.3","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.4.4","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.4.5","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.4.6","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.4.7","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.4.8","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.4.9"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"Referring to other parts of the body: above the collar bone or below the knees\nIt is a woman, he perceives her as a woman, and he has lust.\nIf the monk, referring to any part of the woman above the collar bone or below the knees, praises, disparages …\nor abuses, he commits an offense of wrong conduct. …\nIt is two women, he perceives them both as women, and he has lust.\nIf the monk, referring to any part of both women above the collar bone or below the knees, praises, disparages …\nor abuses, he commits two offenses of wrong conduct. …\nIt is a woman and a paṇḍaka, but he perceives both as women, and he has lust.\nIf the monk, referring to any part of both of them above the collar bone or below the knees, praises, disparages …\nor abuses, he commits two offenses of wrong conduct. …","pi":"Itthī ca hoti itthisaññī sāratto ca.\nBhikkhu ca naṁ itthiyā ubbhakkhakaṁ adhojāṇumaṇḍalaṁ ādissa vaṇṇampi bhaṇati avaṇṇampi bhaṇati …pe…\nakkosatipi, āpatti dukkaṭassa …pe….\nDve itthiyo dvinnaṁ itthīnaṁ itthisaññī sāratto ca.\nBhikkhu ca naṁ dvinnaṁ itthīnaṁ ubbhakkhakaṁ adhojāṇumaṇḍalaṁ ādissa vaṇṇampi bhaṇati avaṇṇampi bhaṇati …pe…\nakkosatipi, āpatti dvinnaṁ dukkaṭānaṁ …pe….\nItthī ca paṇḍako ca ubhinnaṁ itthisaññī sāratto ca.\nBhikkhu ca naṁ ubhinnaṁ ubbhakkhakaṁ adhojāṇumaṇḍalaṁ ādissa vaṇṇampi bhaṇati avaṇṇampi bhaṇati …pe…\nakkosatipi, āpatti dvinnaṁ dukkaṭānaṁ …pe…."}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.5","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.5.0","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.5.1","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.5.2","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.5.3","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.5.4","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.5.5","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.5.6","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.5.7","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.5.8","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.5.9"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"Referring to anything connected to the body\nIt is a woman, he perceives her as a woman, and he has lust.\nIf the monk, referring to anything connected to the woman’s body, praises, disparages …\nor abuses, he commits an offense of wrong conduct. …\nIt is two women, he perceives them both as women, and he has lust.\nIf the monk, referring to anything connected to the body of both women, praises, disparages …\nor abuses, he commits two offenses of wrong conduct. …\nIt is a woman and a paṇḍaka, but he perceives both as women, and he has lust.\nIf the monk, referring to anything connected to the body of both of them, praises, disparages …\nor abuses, he commits two offenses of wrong conduct. …","pi":"Itthī ca hoti itthisaññī sāratto ca.\nBhikkhu ca naṁ itthiyā kāyapaṭibaddhaṁ ādissa vaṇṇampi bhaṇati avaṇṇampi bhaṇati …pe…\nakkosatipi, āpatti dukkaṭassa …pe….\nDve itthiyo dvinnaṁ itthīnaṁ itthisaññī sāratto ca.\nBhikkhu ca naṁ dvinnaṁ itthīnaṁ kāyapaṭibaddhaṁ ādissa vaṇṇampi bhaṇati avaṇṇampi bhaṇati …pe…\nakkosatipi, āpatti dvinnaṁ dukkaṭānaṁ …pe….\nItthī ca paṇḍako ca ubhinnaṁ itthisaññī sāratto ca.\nBhikkhu ca naṁ ubhinnaṁ kāyapaṭibaddhaṁ ādissa vaṇṇampi bhaṇati avaṇṇampi bhaṇati …pe…\nakkosatipi, āpatti dvinnaṁ dukkaṭānaṁ …pe…."}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.6","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.6.0","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.6.1","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.6.2","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.6.3","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.6.4","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.6.5","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.6.6","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.6.7","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.6.8","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.6.9","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.6.10","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:3.6.11"],"kind":"text","text":{"en":"Non-offenses\nThere is no offense:\nif he is aiming at something beneficial;\nif he is aiming at giving a teaching;\nif he is aiming at giving an instruction;\nif he is insane;\nif he is the first offender.\nSummary verses of case studies\n“Red, coarse, thick,\nRough, long, sown;\nI hope the path has an end,\nFaith, with a gift, with work.”","pi":"Anāpatti—\natthapurekkhārassa,\ndhammapurekkhārassa,\nanusāsanipurekkhārassa,\nummattakassa,\nādikammikassāti.\n3.1. Vinītavatthuuddānagāthā\nLohitaṁ kakkasākiṇṇaṁ,\nkharaṁ dīghañca vāpitaṁ;\nKacci saṁsīdati maggo,\nsaddhā dānena kammunāti."}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.1","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.1.0","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.1.1","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.1.2","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.1.3","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.1.4","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.1.5","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.1.6","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.1.7","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.1.8","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.1.9"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"3.2. Vinītavatthu\nTena kho pana samayena aññatarā itthī navarattaṁ kambalaṁ pārutā hoti.\nAññataro bhikkhu sāratto taṁ itthiṁ etadavoca—\n“lohitaṁ kho te, bhaginī”ti.\nSā na paṭivijāni.\n“Āmāyya, navaratto kambalo”ti.\nTassa kukkuccaṁ ahosi “bhagavatā sikkhāpadaṁ paññattaṁ, kacci nu kho ahaṁ saṅghādisesaṁ āpattiṁ āpanno”ti?\nBhagavato etamatthaṁ ārocesi.\n“Anāpatti, bhikkhu, saṅghādisesassa;\nāpatti dukkaṭassā”ti.","en":"Case studies\nAt one time a certain woman was wearing a newly dyed woolen cloak.\nA lustful monk said to her,\n“Sister, is that red thing yours?”\nShe did not understand and said,\n“Yes, venerable, it’s a newly dyed woolen cloak.”\nHe became anxious, thinking, “The Buddha has laid down a training rule. Could it be that I’ve committed an offense entailing suspension?”\nHe told the Buddha, who said,\n“There’s no offense entailing suspension,\nbut there’s an offense of wrong conduct.”"}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.2","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.2.1","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.2.2","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.2.3","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.2.4","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.2.5","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.2.6","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.2.7","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.2.8"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Tena kho pana samayena aññatarā itthī kharakambalaṁ pārutā hoti.\nAññataro bhikkhu sāratto taṁ itthiṁ etadavoca—\n“kakkasalomaṁ kho te, bhaginī”ti.\nSā na paṭivijāni.\n“Āmāyya, kharakambalo”ti.\nTassa kukkuccaṁ ahosi …pe…\n“anāpatti, bhikkhu, saṅghādisesassa;\nāpatti dukkaṭassā”ti.","en":"At one time a certain woman was wearing a coarse woolen cloak.\nA lustful monk said to her,\n“Sister, is that coarse hair yours?”\nShe did not understand and said,\n“Yes, venerable, it’s a coarse woolen cloak.”\nHe became anxious …\n“There’s no offense entailing suspension,\nbut there’s an offense of wrong conduct.”"}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.3","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.3.1","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.3.2","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.3.3","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.3.4","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.3.5","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.3.6","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.3.7","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.3.8"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Tena kho pana samayena aññatarā itthī navāvutaṁ kambalaṁ pārutā hoti.\nAññataro bhikkhu sāratto taṁ itthiṁ etadavoca—\n“ākiṇṇalomaṁ kho te, bhaginī”ti.\nSā na paṭivijāni.\n“Āmāyya, navāvuto kambalo”ti.\nTassa kukkuccaṁ ahosi …pe…\n“anāpatti, bhikkhu, saṅghādisesassa;\nāpatti dukkaṭassā”ti.","en":"At one time a certain woman was wearing a newly woven woolen cloak.\nA lustful monk said to her,\n“Sister, is that thick hair yours?”\nShe did not understand and said,\n“Yes, venerable, it’s a newly woven woolen cloak.”\nHe became anxious …\n“There’s no offense entailing suspension,\nbut there’s an offense of wrong conduct.”"}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.4","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.4.1","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.4.2","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.4.3","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.4.4","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.4.5","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.4.6","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.4.7","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.4.8"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Tena kho pana samayena aññatarā itthī kharakambalakaṁ pārutā hoti.\nAññataro bhikkhu sāratto taṁ itthiṁ etadavoca—\n“kharalomaṁ kho te, bhaginī”ti.\nSā na paṭivijāni.\n“Āmāyya, kharakambalako”ti.\nTassa kukkuccaṁ ahosi …pe…\n“anāpatti, bhikkhu, saṅghādisesassa;\nāpatti dukkaṭassā”ti.","en":"At one time a certain woman was wearing a rough woolen cloak.\nA lustful monk said to her,\n“Sister, is that rough hair yours?”\nShe did not understand and said,\n“Yes, venerable, it’s a rough woolen cloak.”\nHe became anxious …\n“There’s no offense entailing suspension,\nbut there’s an offense of wrong conduct.”"}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.5","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.5.1","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.5.2","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.5.3","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.5.4","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.5.5","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.5.6","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.5.7","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.5.8"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Tena kho pana samayena aññatarā itthī pāvāraṁ pārutā hoti.\nAññataro bhikkhu sāratto taṁ itthiṁ etadavoca—\n“dīghalomaṁ kho te, bhaginī”ti.\nSā na paṭivijāni.\n“Āmāyya, pāvāro”ti.\nTassa kukkuccaṁ ahosi …pe…\n“anāpatti, bhikkhu, saṅghādisesassa;\nāpatti dukkaṭassā”ti.","en":"At one time a certain woman was wearing a fleecy upper robe.\nA lustful monk said to her,\n“Sister, is that long hair yours?”\nShe did not understand and said,\n“Yes, venerable, it’s a fleecy upper robe.”\nHe became anxious …\n“There’s no offense entailing suspension,\nbut there’s an offense of wrong conduct.”"}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.6","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.6.1","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.6.2","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.6.3","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.6.4","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.6.5","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.6.6","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.6.7","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.6.8"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Tena kho pana samayena aññatarā itthī khettaṁ vapāpetvā āgacchati.\nAññataro bhikkhu sāratto taṁ itthiṁ etadavoca—\n“vāpitaṁ kho te, bhaginī”ti?\nSā na paṭivijāni.\n“Āmāyya, no ca kho paṭivuttan”ti.\nTassa kukkuccaṁ ahosi …pe…\n“anāpatti, bhikkhu, saṅghādisesassa;\nāpatti dukkaṭassā”ti.","en":"At one time a certain woman was returning after having had a field sown.\nA lustful monk said to her,\n“Have you sown, sister?”\nShe did not understand and said,\n“Yes, venerable, but the furrow isn’t closed yet.”\nHe became anxious …\n“There’s no offense entailing suspension,\nbut there’s an offense of wrong conduct.”"}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.7","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.7.1","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.7.2","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.7.3","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.7.4","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.7.5","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.7.6","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.7.7"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Tena kho pana samayena aññataro bhikkhu paribbājikaṁ paṭipathe passitvā sāratto taṁ paribbājikaṁ etadavoca—\n“kacci, bhagini, maggo saṁsīdatī”ti?\nSā na paṭivijāni.\n“Āma, bhikkhu, paṭipajjissasī”ti.\nTassa kukkuccaṁ ahosi …pe…\n“anāpatti, bhikkhu, saṅghādisesassa;\nāpatti thullaccayassā”ti.","en":"At one time a lustful monk saw a female wanderer coming in the opposite direction. He said to her,\n“Sister, I hope the path has an end?”\nShe did not understand and said,\n“Yes, just keep going.”\nHe became anxious …\n“There’s no offense entailing suspension,\nbut there’s a serious offense.”"}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.8","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.8.1","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.8.2","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.8.3","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.8.4","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.8.5","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.8.6","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.8.7"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Tena kho pana samayena aññataro bhikkhu sāratto aññataraṁ itthiṁ etadavoca—\n“saddhāsi tvaṁ, bhagini.\nApi ca yaṁ sāmikassa desi taṁ nāmhākaṁ desī”ti.\n“Kiṁ, bhante”ti?\n“Methunadhamman”ti.\nTassa kukkuccaṁ ahosi …pe…\n“āpattiṁ tvaṁ, bhikkhu, āpanno saṅghādisesan”ti.","en":"At one time a lustful monk said to a woman,\n“You have faith, sister,\nyet you don’t give us what you give your husband.”\n“What’s that, venerable?”\n“Sexual intercourse.”\nHe became anxious …\n“There’s an offense entailing suspension.”"}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.9","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.9.1","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.9.2","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.9.3","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.9.4","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.9.5","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.9.6","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.9.7"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Tena kho pana samayena aññataro bhikkhu sāratto aññataraṁ itthiṁ etadavoca—\n“saddhāsi tvaṁ, bhagini.\nApi ca yaṁ aggadānaṁ taṁ nāmhākaṁ desī”ti.\n“Kiṁ, bhante, aggadānan”ti?\n“Methunadhamman”ti.\nTassa kukkuccaṁ ahosi …pe…\n“āpattiṁ tvaṁ, bhikkhu, āpanno saṅghādisesan”ti.","en":"At one time a lustful monk said to a woman,\n“You have faith, sister,\nyet you don’t give us the highest gift.”\n“What’s that, venerable?”\n“Sexual intercourse.”\nHe became anxious …\n“There’s an offense entailing suspension.”"}},{"id":"pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.10","sourceIds":["pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.10.1","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.10.2","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.10.3","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.10.4","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.10.5","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.10.6","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.10.7","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.10.8","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.10.9","pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3:4.10.10"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Tena kho pana samayena aññatarā itthī kammaṁ karoti.\nAññataro bhikkhu sāratto taṁ itthiṁ etadavoca—\n“tiṭṭha, bhagini, ahaṁ karissāmī”ti …pe…\nnisīda, bhagini, ahaṁ karissāmī”ti …pe…\nnipajja, bhagini, ahaṁ karissāmī”ti.\nSā na paṭivijāni.\nTassa kukkuccaṁ ahosi …pe…\n“anāpatti, bhikkhu, saṅghādisesassa;\nāpatti dukkaṭassā”ti.\nDuṭṭhullavācāsikkhāpadaṁ niṭṭhitaṁ tatiyaṁ.","en":"At one time a certain woman was doing some work.\nA lustful monk said to her,\n“Stand, sister, I’ll work.” …\n“Sit, sister, I’ll work.” …\n“Lie down, sister, I’ll work.”\nShe did not understand.\nHe became anxious …\n“There’s no offense entailing suspension,\nbut there’s an offense of wrong conduct.”\nThe training rule on indecent speech, the third, is finished."}}]}],"sourceRevision":"afdafa92450cfe7573b280da50382888323666d2","sourceUrl":"https://suttacentral.net/pli-tv-bu-vb-ss3/en/brahmali","licence":"CC0 1.0","licenceUrl":"https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/","editionNote":"Full supplied source file; inherited abbreviations are preserved. Not a reconstructed expansion of every repetition. No Malay or Mandarin translation is implied."}