{"id":"pli-tv-pvr12","title":"Questions and answers on accusing, etc.","languageCodes":["en","pi"],"languageNotes":{"en":"Bhikkhu Brahmāli · CC0","pi":"Mahāsaṅgīti edition · SuttaCentral"},"chapters":[{"id":"pli-tv-pvr12","title":"Questions and answers on accusing, etc.","units":[{"id":"pli-tv-pvr12:0","sourceIds":["pli-tv-pvr12:0.1","pli-tv-pvr12:0.2","pli-tv-pvr12:0.3"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Parivāra\nAparagāthāsaṅgaṇika\n12. Codanādipucchāvissajjanā","en":"The Compendium\nVerses on how to accuse properly\nQuestions and answers on accusing, etc."}},{"id":"pli-tv-pvr12:1","sourceIds":["pli-tv-pvr12:1.1","pli-tv-pvr12:1.2","pli-tv-pvr12:1.3","pli-tv-pvr12:1.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Codanā kimatthāya,\nSāraṇā kissa kāraṇā;\nSaṅgho kimatthāya,\nMatikammaṁ pana kissa kāraṇā.","en":"“What is the purpose of accusing?\nWhy is there reminding?\nWhat is the purpose of the Sangha?\nWhy is there the taking of advice?"}},{"id":"pli-tv-pvr12:2","sourceIds":["pli-tv-pvr12:2.1","pli-tv-pvr12:2.2","pli-tv-pvr12:2.3","pli-tv-pvr12:2.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Codanā sāraṇatthāya,\nNiggahatthāya sāraṇā;\nSaṅgho pariggahatthāya,\nMatikammaṁ pana pāṭiyekkaṁ.","en":"The purpose of accusing is reminding,\nThe purpose of reminding is restraint;\nThe purpose of the Sangha is scrutiny,\nBut taking advice is individual."}},{"id":"pli-tv-pvr12:3","sourceIds":["pli-tv-pvr12:3.1","pli-tv-pvr12:3.2","pli-tv-pvr12:3.3","pli-tv-pvr12:3.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Mā kho turito abhaṇi,\nmā kho caṇḍikato bhaṇi;\nMā kho paṭighaṁ janayi,\nsace anuvijjako tuvaṁ.","en":"Don’t speak hastily,\nDon’t speak fiercely;\nDon’t be hostile—\nIf you are an investigator."}},{"id":"pli-tv-pvr12:4","sourceIds":["pli-tv-pvr12:4.1","pli-tv-pvr12:4.2","pli-tv-pvr12:4.3","pli-tv-pvr12:4.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Mā kho sahasā abhaṇi,\nKathaṁ viggāhikaṁ anatthasaṁhitaṁ;\nSutte vinaye anulome,\nPaññatte anulomike.","en":"Don’t speak fast,\nArgumentative speech is not beneficial.\nIn line with the discourses and the Monastic Law,\nIn line with what has been laid down,"}},{"id":"pli-tv-pvr12:5","sourceIds":["pli-tv-pvr12:5.1","pli-tv-pvr12:5.2","pli-tv-pvr12:5.3","pli-tv-pvr12:5.4","pli-tv-pvr12:5.5","pli-tv-pvr12:5.6"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Anuyogavattaṁ nisāmaya,\nKusalena buddhimatā kataṁ;\nSuvuttaṁ sikkhāpadānulomikaṁ,\nGatiṁ na nāsento samparāyikaṁ;\nHitesī anuyuñjassu,\nKālenatthūpasaṁhitaṁ.","en":"Consider carefully the proper procedure of examination,\nAs formulated by the skilled Awakened One,\nWell-spoken in line with the training rules—\nDo not ruin your future rebirth.\nYou should seek what is beneficial,\nAt the right time, what is connected with the goal."}},{"id":"pli-tv-pvr12:6","sourceIds":["pli-tv-pvr12:6.1","pli-tv-pvr12:6.2","pli-tv-pvr12:6.3","pli-tv-pvr12:6.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Cuditassa ca codakassa ca,\nSahasā vohāraṁ mā padhāresi;\nCodako āha āpannoti,\nCuditako āha anāpannoti.","en":"The statements of the accuser and the accused,\nDo not consider them hastily:\nIf the accuser says the accused has offended,\nBut the accused says he has not,"}},{"id":"pli-tv-pvr12:7","sourceIds":["pli-tv-pvr12:7.1","pli-tv-pvr12:7.2","pli-tv-pvr12:7.3","pli-tv-pvr12:7.4","pli-tv-pvr12:7.5","pli-tv-pvr12:7.6"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Ubho anukkhipanto,\nPaṭiññānusandhitena kāraye;\nPaṭiññā lajjīsu katā,\nAlajjīsu evaṁ na vijjati;\nBahumpi alajjī bhāseyya,\nVattānusandhitena kāraye.","en":"Then, proceeding,\nBoth should be dealt with in line with their admission.\nThe conscientious admit their faults,\nBut there is no such thing among the shameless;\nFor even if the shameless should speak a lot,\nThey should be dealt with in line with their conduct."}},{"id":"pli-tv-pvr12:8","sourceIds":["pli-tv-pvr12:8.1","pli-tv-pvr12:8.2","pli-tv-pvr12:8.3","pli-tv-pvr12:8.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Alajjī kīdiso hoti,\nPaṭiññā yassa na rūhati;\nEtañca tāhaṁ pucchāmi,\nKīdiso vuccati alajjī puggalo.","en":"What are the shameless like,\nIn that an admission is not effective?\nI ask you this:\nWhat are they like, the people called shameless?"}},{"id":"pli-tv-pvr12:9","sourceIds":["pli-tv-pvr12:9.1","pli-tv-pvr12:9.2","pli-tv-pvr12:9.3","pli-tv-pvr12:9.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Sañcicca āpattiṁ āpajjati,\nĀpattiṁ parigūhati;\nAgatigamanañca gacchati,\nEdiso vuccati alajjīpuggalo.","en":"They intentionally commit offenses,\nHide their offenses,\nAnd follow a wrong course—\nSuch people are called shameless."}},{"id":"pli-tv-pvr12:10","sourceIds":["pli-tv-pvr12:10.1","pli-tv-pvr12:10.2","pli-tv-pvr12:10.3","pli-tv-pvr12:10.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Saccaṁ ahampi jānāmi,\nEdiso vuccati alajjīpuggalo;\nAññañca tāhaṁ pucchāmi,\nKīdiso vuccati lajjīpuggalo.","en":"I too know the truth—\nSuch people are called shameless.\nAnd may I ask you something else:\nWhat are they like, the people called conscientious?"}},{"id":"pli-tv-pvr12:11","sourceIds":["pli-tv-pvr12:11.1","pli-tv-pvr12:11.2","pli-tv-pvr12:11.3","pli-tv-pvr12:11.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Sañcicca āpattiṁ nāpajjati,\nĀpattiṁ na parigūhati;\nAgatigamanaṁ na gacchati,\nEdiso vuccati lajjīpuggalo.","en":"They do not intentionally commit offenses,\nNor do they hide them,\nNor do they follow a wrong course—\nSuch people are called conscientious."}},{"id":"pli-tv-pvr12:12","sourceIds":["pli-tv-pvr12:12.1","pli-tv-pvr12:12.2","pli-tv-pvr12:12.3","pli-tv-pvr12:12.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Saccaṁ ahampi jānāmi,\nEdiso vuccati lajjīpuggalo;\nAññañca tāhaṁ pucchāmi,\nKīdiso vuccati adhammacodako.","en":"I too know the truth—\nSuch people are called conscientious.\nAnd may I ask you something else:\nWhat are they like, those who accuse illegitimately?"}},{"id":"pli-tv-pvr12:13","sourceIds":["pli-tv-pvr12:13.1","pli-tv-pvr12:13.2","pli-tv-pvr12:13.3","pli-tv-pvr12:13.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Akālena codeti abhūtena,\nPharusena anatthasaṁhitena;\nDosantaro codeti no mettācitto,\nEdiso vuccati adhammacodako.","en":"They accuse at the wrong time, untruthfully,\nHarshly, without benefit;\nThey accuse with a mind of ill will, not a mind of good will—\nSuch a person is called one who accuses illegitimately."}},{"id":"pli-tv-pvr12:14","sourceIds":["pli-tv-pvr12:14.1","pli-tv-pvr12:14.2","pli-tv-pvr12:14.3","pli-tv-pvr12:14.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Saccaṁ ahampi jānāmi,\nEdiso vuccati adhammacodako;\nAññañca tāhaṁ pucchāmi,\nKīdiso vuccati dhammacodako.","en":"I too know the truth—\nSuch a person is called one who accuses illegitimately.\nAnd may I ask you something else:\nWhat are they like, those who accuse legitimately?"}},{"id":"pli-tv-pvr12:15","sourceIds":["pli-tv-pvr12:15.1","pli-tv-pvr12:15.2","pli-tv-pvr12:15.3","pli-tv-pvr12:15.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Kālena codeti bhūtena,\nSaṇhena atthasaṁhitena;\nMettācitto codeti no dosantaro,\nEdiso vuccati dhammacodako.","en":"They accuse at the right time, truthfully,\nGently, beneficially;\nThey accuse with a mind of good will, not a mind of ill will—\nSuch a person is called one who accuses legitimately."}},{"id":"pli-tv-pvr12:16","sourceIds":["pli-tv-pvr12:16.1","pli-tv-pvr12:16.2","pli-tv-pvr12:16.3","pli-tv-pvr12:16.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Saccaṁ ahampi jānāmi,\nEdiso vuccati dhammacodako;\nAññañca tāhaṁ pucchāmi,\nKīdiso vuccati bālacodako.","en":"I too know the truth—\nSuch a person is called one who accuses legitimately.\nAnd may I ask you something else:\nWhat are they like, the people called ignorant accusers?"}},{"id":"pli-tv-pvr12:17","sourceIds":["pli-tv-pvr12:17.1","pli-tv-pvr12:17.2","pli-tv-pvr12:17.3","pli-tv-pvr12:17.4","pli-tv-pvr12:17.5"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Pubbāparaṁ na jānāti,\nPubbāparassa akovido;\nAnusandhivacanapathaṁ na jānāti,\nAnusandhivacanapathassa akovido;\nEdiso vuccati bālacodako.","en":"They do not know the right order;\nThey are ignorant about it.\nThey do not know the sequence of statements;\nThey are ignorant about it—\nSuch people are called ignorant accusers."}},{"id":"pli-tv-pvr12:18","sourceIds":["pli-tv-pvr12:18.1","pli-tv-pvr12:18.2","pli-tv-pvr12:18.3","pli-tv-pvr12:18.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Saccaṁ ahampi jānāmi,\nEdiso vuccati bālacodako;\nAññañca tāhaṁ pucchāmi,\nKīdiso vuccati paṇḍitacodako.","en":"I too know the truth—\nSuch people are called ignorant accusers.\nAnd may I ask you something else:\nWhat are they like, the people called learned accusers?"}},{"id":"pli-tv-pvr12:19","sourceIds":["pli-tv-pvr12:19.1","pli-tv-pvr12:19.2","pli-tv-pvr12:19.3","pli-tv-pvr12:19.4","pli-tv-pvr12:19.5"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Pubbāparampi jānāti,\nPubbāparassa kovido;\nAnusandhivacanapathaṁ jānāti,\nAnusandhivacanapathassa kovido;\nEdiso vuccati paṇḍitacodako.","en":"They know the right order;\nThey are knowledgeable about it.\nThey know the sequence of statements;\nThey are knowledgeable about it—\nSuch people are called learned accusers."}},{"id":"pli-tv-pvr12:20","sourceIds":["pli-tv-pvr12:20.1","pli-tv-pvr12:20.2","pli-tv-pvr12:20.3","pli-tv-pvr12:20.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Saccaṁ ahampi jānāmi,\nEdiso vuccati paṇḍitacodako;\nAññañca tāhaṁ pucchāmi,\nCodanā kinti vuccati.","en":"I too know the truth—\nSuch people are called learned accusers.\nAnd may I ask you something else:\nWhat is meant by accusing?"}},{"id":"pli-tv-pvr12:21","sourceIds":["pli-tv-pvr12:21.1","pli-tv-pvr12:21.2","pli-tv-pvr12:21.3","pli-tv-pvr12:21.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Sīlavipattiyā codeti,\natho ācāradiṭṭhiyā;\nĀjīvenapi codeti,\ncodanā tena vuccatīti.","en":"One accuses because of failure in morality,\nAnd for failure in conduct and view;\nAlso one accuses for failure in livelihood—\nBecause of this it is called accusing.”"}},{"id":"pli-tv-pvr12:22","sourceIds":["pli-tv-pvr12:22.1"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Aparaṁ gāthāsaṅgaṇikaṁ niṭṭhitaṁ.","en":"Verses on how to accuse properly are finished."}}]}],"sourceRevision":"afdafa92450cfe7573b280da50382888323666d2","sourceUrl":"https://suttacentral.net/pli-tv-pvr12/en/brahmali","licence":"CC0 1.0","licenceUrl":"https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/","editionNote":"Full supplied source file; inherited abbreviations are preserved. Not a reconstructed expansion of every repetition. No Malay or Mandarin translation is implied."}