{"id":"sn12.26","title":"With Upavāṇa","languageCodes":["en","pi"],"languageNotes":{"en":"Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0","pi":"Mahāsaṅgīti edition · SuttaCentral"},"chapters":[{"id":"sn12.26","title":"With Upavāṇa","units":[{"id":"sn12.26:0","sourceIds":["sn12.26:0.1","sn12.26:0.2","sn12.26:0.3"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Saṁyutta Nikāya 12.26\n3. Dasabalavagga\nUpavāṇasutta","en":"Linked Discourses 12.26\n3. The Ten Powers\nWith Upavāṇa"}},{"id":"sn12.26:1","sourceIds":["sn12.26:1.1","sn12.26:1.2"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Sāvatthiyaṁ viharati.\nAtha kho āyasmā upavāṇo yena bhagavā tenupasaṅkami; upasaṅkamitvā bhagavantaṁ abhivādetvā ekamantaṁ nisīdi. Ekamantaṁ nisinno kho āyasmā upavāṇo bhagavantaṁ etadavoca:","en":"At Sāvatthī.\nThen Venerable Upavāṇa went up to the Buddha, bowed, sat down to one side, and said to him:"}},{"id":"sn12.26:2","sourceIds":["sn12.26:2.1","sn12.26:2.2","sn12.26:2.3","sn12.26:2.4","sn12.26:2.5"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Santi pana, bhante, eke samaṇabrāhmaṇā sayaṅkataṁ dukkhaṁ paññapenti.\nSanti pana, bhante, eke samaṇabrāhmaṇā paraṅkataṁ dukkhaṁ paññapenti.\nSanti pana, bhante, eke samaṇabrāhmaṇā sayaṅkatañca paraṅkatañca dukkhaṁ paññapenti.\nSanti pana, bhante, eke samaṇabrāhmaṇā asayaṅkāraṁ aparaṅkāraṁ adhiccasamuppannaṁ dukkhaṁ paññapenti.\nIdha no, bhante, bhagavā kiṁvādī kimakkhāyī kathaṁ byākaramānā ca mayaṁ vuttavādino ceva bhagavato assāma, na ca bhagavantaṁ abhūtena abbhācikkheyyāma, dhammassa cānudhammaṁ byākareyyāma, na ca koci sahadhammiko vādānupāto gārayhaṁ ṭhānaṁ āgaccheyyā”ti?","en":"“Sir, there are some ascetics and brahmins who assert that suffering is made by oneself.\nThere are some who assert that suffering is made by another.\nThere are some who assert that suffering is made by both oneself and another.\nThere are some who assert that suffering arises anomalously, not made by oneself or another.\nWhat does the Buddha say about this? How does he explain it? How should we answer so as to repeat what the Buddha has said, and not misrepresent him with an untruth? How should we explain in line with his teaching, with no legitimate grounds for rebuttal and criticism?”"}},{"id":"sn12.26:3","sourceIds":["sn12.26:3.1","sn12.26:3.2","sn12.26:3.3","sn12.26:3.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Paṭiccasamuppannaṁ kho, upavāṇa, dukkhaṁ vuttaṁ mayā.\nKiṁ paṭicca?\nPhassaṁ paṭicca.\nIti vadaṁ vuttavādī ceva me assa, na ca maṁ abhūtena abbhācikkheyya, dhammassa cānudhammaṁ byākareyya, na ca koci sahadhammiko vādānupāto gārayhaṁ ṭhānaṁ āgaccheyya.","en":"“Upavāṇa, I have said that suffering is dependently originated.\nDependent on what?\nDependent on contact.\nIn speaking like this, you would repeat what I have said, and not misrepresent me with an untruth. You would explain in line with my teaching, and there would be no legitimate grounds for rebuttal and criticism."}},{"id":"sn12.26:4","sourceIds":["sn12.26:4.1","sn12.26:4.2","sn12.26:4.3","sn12.26:4.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Tatra, upavāṇa, ye te samaṇabrāhmaṇā sayaṅkataṁ dukkhaṁ paññapenti, tadapi phassapaccayā.\nYepi te …pe…\nyepi te …pe…\nyepi te samaṇabrāhmaṇā asayaṅkāraṁ aparaṅkāraṁ adhiccasamuppannaṁ dukkhaṁ paññapenti tadapi phassapaccayā.","en":"In the case of those ascetics and brahmins who assert that suffering is made by oneself, that’s dependent on contact. …\nIn the case of those who assert that suffering arises anomalously, not made by oneself or another, that’s also dependent on contact."}},{"id":"sn12.26:5","sourceIds":["sn12.26:5.1","sn12.26:5.2","sn12.26:5.3","sn12.26:5.4","sn12.26:5.5"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Tatra, upavāṇa, ye te samaṇabrāhmaṇā sayaṅkataṁ dukkhaṁ paññapenti, te vata aññatra phassā paṭisaṁvedissantīti netaṁ ṭhānaṁ vijjati.\nYepi te …pe…\nyepi te …pe…\nyepi te samaṇabrāhmaṇā asayaṅkāraṁ aparaṅkāraṁ adhiccasamuppannaṁ dukkhaṁ paññapenti, te vata aññatra phassā paṭisaṁvedissantīti netaṁ ṭhānaṁ vijjatī”ti.\nChaṭṭhaṁ.","en":"In the case of those ascetics and brahmins who assert that suffering is made by oneself, it’s impossible that they will experience that without contact. …\nIn the case of those who assert that suffering arises anomalously, not made by oneself or another, it’s impossible that they will experience that without contact.”"}}]}],"sourceRevision":"afdafa92450cfe7573b280da50382888323666d2","sourceUrl":"https://suttacentral.net/sn12.26/en/sujato","licence":"CC0 1.0","licenceUrl":"https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/","editionNote":"Full supplied source file; inherited abbreviations are preserved. Not a reconstructed expansion of every repetition. No Malay or Mandarin translation is implied."}