{"id":"sn12.29","title":"Ascetics and Brahmins","languageCodes":["en","pi"],"languageNotes":{"en":"Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0","pi":"Mahāsaṅgīti edition · SuttaCentral"},"chapters":[{"id":"sn12.29","title":"Ascetics and Brahmins","units":[{"id":"sn12.29:0","sourceIds":["sn12.29:0.1","sn12.29:0.2","sn12.29:0.3"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Saṁyutta Nikāya 12.29\n3. Dasabalavagga\nSamaṇabrāhmaṇasutta","en":"Linked Discourses 12.29\n3. The Ten Powers\nAscetics and Brahmins"}},{"id":"sn12.29:1","sourceIds":["sn12.29:1.1","sn12.29:1.2","sn12.29:1.3","sn12.29:1.4","sn12.29:1.5","sn12.29:1.6","sn12.29:1.7","sn12.29:1.8","sn12.29:1.9","sn12.29:1.10","sn12.29:1.11","sn12.29:1.12","sn12.29:1.13","sn12.29:1.14","sn12.29:1.15","sn12.29:1.16"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Sāvatthiyaṁ viharati.\n“Tatra kho …pe…\nye hi keci, bhikkhave, samaṇā vā brāhmaṇā vā jarāmaraṇaṁ na parijānanti, jarāmaraṇasamudayaṁ na parijānanti, jarāmaraṇanirodhaṁ na parijānanti, jarāmaraṇanirodhagāminiṁ paṭipadaṁ na parijānanti, jātiṁ na parijānanti …pe…\nbhavaṁ …\nupādānaṁ …\ntaṇhaṁ …\nvedanaṁ …\nphassaṁ …\nsaḷāyatanaṁ …\nnāmarūpaṁ …\nviññāṇaṁ …\nsaṅkhāre …\nsaṅkhārasamudayaṁ …\nsaṅkhāranirodhaṁ …\nsaṅkhāranirodhagāminiṁ paṭipadaṁ na parijānanti.\nNa mete, bhikkhave, samaṇā vā brāhmaṇā vā samaṇesu vā samaṇasammatā brāhmaṇesu vā brāhmaṇasammatā. Na ca panete āyasmanto sāmaññatthaṁ vā brahmaññatthaṁ vā diṭṭheva dhamme sayaṁ abhiññā sacchikatvā upasampajja viharanti.","en":"At Sāvatthī.\n“There are ascetics and brahmins who don’t completely understand old age and death, their origin, their cessation, and the practice that leads to their cessation. They don’t completely understand rebirth …\ncontinued existence …\ngrasping …\ncraving …\nfeeling …\ncontact …\nthe six sense fields …\nname and form …\nconsciousness …\nThey don’t completely understand choices,\ntheir origin,\ntheir cessation,\nand the practice that leads to their cessation.\nI don’t deem them as true ascetics and brahmins. Those venerables don’t realize the goal of life as an ascetic or brahmin, and don’t live having realized it with their own insight in this very life."}},{"id":"sn12.29:2","sourceIds":["sn12.29:2.1","sn12.29:2.2","sn12.29:2.3","sn12.29:2.4","sn12.29:2.5","sn12.29:2.6","sn12.29:2.7","sn12.29:2.8","sn12.29:2.9","sn12.29:2.10","sn12.29:2.11","sn12.29:2.12"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Ye ca kho keci, bhikkhave, samaṇā vā brāhmaṇā vā jarāmaraṇaṁ parijānanti, jarāmaraṇasamudayaṁ parijānanti, jarāmaraṇanirodhaṁ parijānanti, jarāmaraṇanirodhagāminiṁ paṭipadaṁ parijānanti, jātiṁ parijānanti …pe…\nbhavaṁ …\nupādānaṁ …\ntaṇhaṁ …\nvedanaṁ …\nphassaṁ …\nsaḷāyatanaṁ …\nnāmarūpaṁ …\nviññāṇaṁ …\nsaṅkhāre parijānanti, saṅkhārasamudayaṁ parijānanti, saṅkhāranirodhaṁ parijānanti, saṅkhāranirodhagāminiṁ paṭipadaṁ parijānanti.\nTe kho me, bhikkhave, samaṇā vā brāhmaṇā vā samaṇesu ceva samaṇasammatā brāhmaṇesu ca brāhmaṇasammatā. Te ca panāyasmanto sāmaññatthañca brahmaññatthañca diṭṭheva dhamme sayaṁ abhiññā sacchikatvā upasampajja viharantī”ti.\nNavamaṁ.","en":"There are ascetics and brahmins who completely understand old age and death, their origin, their cessation, and the practice that leads to their cessation. They completely understand rebirth …\ncontinued existence …\ngrasping …\ncraving …\nfeeling …\ncontact …\nthe six sense fields …\nname and form …\nconsciousness …\nThey completely understand choices, their origin, their cessation, and the practice that leads to their cessation.\nI deem them as true ascetics and brahmins. Those venerables realize the goal of life as an ascetic or brahmin, and live having realized it with their own insight.”"}}]}],"sourceRevision":"afdafa92450cfe7573b280da50382888323666d2","sourceUrl":"https://suttacentral.net/sn12.29/en/sujato","licence":"CC0 1.0","licenceUrl":"https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/","editionNote":"Full supplied source file; inherited abbreviations are preserved. Not a reconstructed expansion of every repetition. No Malay or Mandarin translation is implied."}