{"id":"sn35.132","title":"With Lohicca","languageCodes":["en","pi"],"languageNotes":{"en":"Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0","pi":"Mahāsaṅgīti edition · SuttaCentral"},"chapters":[{"id":"sn35.132","title":"With Lohicca","units":[{"id":"sn35.132:0","sourceIds":["sn35.132:0.1","sn35.132:0.2","sn35.132:0.3"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Saṁyutta Nikāya 35.132\n13. Gahapativagga\nLohiccasutta","en":"Linked Discourses 35.132\n13. Householders\nWith Lohicca"}},{"id":"sn35.132:1","sourceIds":["sn35.132:1.1","sn35.132:1.2","sn35.132:1.3","sn35.132:1.4","sn35.132:1.5","sn35.132:1.6","sn35.132:1.7","sn35.132:1.8"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Ekaṁ samayaṁ āyasmā mahākaccāno avantīsu viharati makkarakate araññakuṭikāyaṁ.\nAtha kho lohiccassa brāhmaṇassa sambahulā antevāsikā kaṭṭhahārakā māṇavakā yenāyasmato mahākaccānassa araññakuṭikā tenupasaṅkamiṁsu; upasaṅkamitvā parito parito kuṭikāya anucaṅkamanti anuvicaranti uccāsaddā mahāsaddā kānici kānici seleyyakāni karonti:\n“ime pana muṇḍakā samaṇakā ibbhā kaṇhā bandhupādāpaccā, imesaṁ bharatakānaṁ sakkatā garukatā mānitā pūjitā apacitā”ti.\nAtha kho āyasmā mahākaccāno vihārā nikkhamitvā te māṇavake etadavoca:\n“mā māṇavakā saddamakattha;\ndhammaṁ vo bhāsissāmī”ti.\nEvaṁ vutte, te māṇavakā tuṇhī ahesuṁ.\nAtha kho āyasmā mahākaccāno te māṇavake gāthāhi ajjhabhāsi:","en":"At one time Venerable Mahākaccāna was staying in the land of the Avantis in a wilderness hut near Makkarakaṭa.\nThen several students, pupils of the brahmin Lohicca, approached Mahākaccāna’s wilderness hut while collecting firewood. They walked and wandered all around the hut, making a colossal racket and all kinds of jeers:\n“These shavelings, fake ascetics, primitives, black spawn from the feet of our kinsman, the Lord! They’re honored, respected, revered, venerated, and esteemed by so-called inheritors of Vedic culture.”\nThen Mahākaccāna left his dwelling and said to those young students,\n“Young students, stop being so noisy.\nI will speak to you on the teaching.”\nWhen this was said, the young students fell silent.\nThen Mahākaccāna recited these verses for them:"}},{"id":"sn35.132:2","sourceIds":["sn35.132:2.1","sn35.132:2.2","sn35.132:2.3","sn35.132:2.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Sīluttamā pubbatarā ahesuṁ,\nTe brāhmaṇā ye purāṇaṁ saranti;\nGuttāni dvārāni surakkhitāni,\nAhesuṁ tesaṁ abhibhuyya kodhaṁ.","en":"“For the brahmins of old, ethics were the highest;\nthey remembered the ancient legends.\nTheir sense doors were guarded, well protected,\nand they had mastered anger."}},{"id":"sn35.132:3","sourceIds":["sn35.132:3.1","sn35.132:3.2"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Dhamme ca jhāne ca ratā ahesuṁ,\nTe brāhmaṇā ye purāṇaṁ saranti.","en":"Those brahmins who remembered the ancient legends\nenjoyed virtue and absorption."}},{"id":"sn35.132:4","sourceIds":["sn35.132:4.1","sn35.132:4.2","sn35.132:4.3","sn35.132:4.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Ime ca vokkamma japāmaseti,\nGottena mattā visamaṁ caranti;\nKodhābhibhūtā puthuattadaṇḍā,\nVirajjamānā sataṇhātaṇhesu.","en":"But these have lost their way. Saying, ‘We must pray’,\nthey live out of balance, judging by clan.\nMastered by anger, they take up many arms,\nindifferent to those with craving and without."}},{"id":"sn35.132:5","sourceIds":["sn35.132:5.1","sn35.132:5.2","sn35.132:5.3","sn35.132:5.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Aguttadvārassa bhavanti moghā,\nSupineva laddhaṁ purisassa vittaṁ;\nAnāsakā thaṇḍilasāyikā ca,\nPāto sinānañca tayo ca vedā.","en":"All is vain for someone who doesn’t guard the sense doors,\nlike the wealth a person finds in a dream.\nFasting, sleeping on bare ground,\nbathing at daybreak, the three Vedas,"}},{"id":"sn35.132:6","sourceIds":["sn35.132:6.1","sn35.132:6.2","sn35.132:6.3","sn35.132:6.4","sn35.132:6.5","sn35.132:6.6"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Kharājinaṁ jaṭāpaṅko,\nmantā sīlabbataṁ tapo;\nKuhanā vaṅkadaṇḍā ca,\nudakācamanāni ca;\nVaṇṇā ete brāhmaṇānaṁ,\nkatā kiñcikkhabhāvanā.","en":"rough hides, dreadlocks, and mud,\nhymns, precepts and observances, and fervent austerities,\nfawning, bent staffs,\nand sipping water.\nThese emblems of the brahmins\nare only used to generate profits."}},{"id":"sn35.132:7","sourceIds":["sn35.132:7.1","sn35.132:7.2","sn35.132:7.3","sn35.132:7.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Cittañca susamāhitaṁ,\nvippasannamanāvilaṁ;\nAkhilaṁ sabbabhūtesu,\nso maggo brahmapattiyā”ti.","en":"A mind that’s serene,\nclear and unclouded,\nkind to all creatures:\nthat’s the path to attainment of divinity!”"}},{"id":"sn35.132:8","sourceIds":["sn35.132:8.1","sn35.132:8.2","sn35.132:8.3","sn35.132:8.4","sn35.132:8.5","sn35.132:8.6"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Atha kho te māṇavakā kupitā anattamanā yena lohicco brāhmaṇo tenupasaṅkamiṁsu; upasaṅkamitvā lohiccaṁ brāhmaṇaṁ etadavocuṁ:\n“yagghe bhavaṁ jāneyya, samaṇo mahākaccāno brāhmaṇānaṁ mante ekaṁsena apavadati, paṭikkosatī”ti?\nEvaṁ vutte, lohicco brāhmaṇo kupito ahosi anattamano.\nAtha kho lohiccassa brāhmaṇassa etadahosi:\n“na kho pana metaṁ patirūpaṁ yohaṁ aññadatthu māṇavakānaṁyeva sutvā samaṇaṁ mahākaccānaṁ akkoseyyaṁ paribhāseyyaṁ.\nYannūnāhaṁ upasaṅkamitvā puccheyyan”ti.","en":"Then those young students, offended and upset, went to the brahmin Lohicca and said to him,\n“Please, master, you should know this. The ascetic Mahākaccāna condemns and rejects outright the hymns of the brahmins!”\nWhen they said this, Lohicca was offended and upset.\nThen he thought,\n“But it wouldn’t be appropriate for me to abuse or insult the ascetic Mahākaccāna solely because of what I’ve heard from these young students.\nWhy don’t I go and ask him about it?”"}},{"id":"sn35.132:9","sourceIds":["sn35.132:9.1","sn35.132:9.2","sn35.132:9.3","sn35.132:9.4","sn35.132:9.5","sn35.132:9.6","sn35.132:9.7","sn35.132:9.8"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Atha kho lohicco brāhmaṇo tehi māṇavakehi saddhiṁ yenāyasmā mahākaccāno tenupasaṅkami; upasaṅkamitvā āyasmatā mahākaccānena saddhiṁ sammodi.\nSammodanīyaṁ kathaṁ sāraṇīyaṁ vītisāretvā ekamantaṁ nisīdi. Ekamantaṁ nisinno kho lohicco brāhmaṇo āyasmantaṁ mahākaccānaṁ etadavoca:\n“āgamaṁsu nu khvidha, bho kaccāna, amhākaṁ sambahulā antevāsikā kaṭṭhahārakā māṇavakā”ti?\n“Āgamaṁsu khvidha te, brāhmaṇa, sambahulā antevāsikā kaṭṭhahārakā māṇavakā”ti.\n“Ahu pana bhoto kaccānassa tehi māṇavakehi saddhiṁ kocideva kathāsallāpo”ti?\n“Ahu kho me, brāhmaṇa, tehi māṇavakehi saddhiṁ kocideva kathāsallāpo”ti.\n“Yathā kathaṁ pana bhoto kaccānassa tehi māṇavakehi saddhiṁ ahosi kathāsallāpo”ti?\n“Evaṁ kho me, brāhmaṇa, tehi māṇavakehi saddhiṁ ahosi kathāsallāpo:","en":"Then the brahmin Lohicca together with those young students went to Venerable Mahākaccāna and exchanged greetings with him.\nWhen the greetings and polite conversation were over, he sat down to one side and said to him,\n“Master Kaccāna, did several young pupils of mine come by here collecting firewood?”\n“They did, brahmin.”\n“But did you have some discussion with them?”\n“I did.”\n“But what kind of discussion did you have with them?”\n“This is the discussion I had with these young students.” And he repeated the verses in full."}},{"id":"sn35.132:10","sourceIds":["sn35.132:10.1","sn35.132:10.2","sn35.132:10.3","sn35.132:10.4","sn35.132:10.5"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"‘Sīluttamā pubbatarā ahesuṁ,\nTe brāhmaṇā ye purāṇaṁ saranti;\n…pe…\nAkhilaṁ sabbabhūtesu,\nSo maggo brahmapattiyā’ti."}},{"id":"sn35.132:11","sourceIds":["sn35.132:11.1"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Evaṁ kho me, brāhmaṇa, tehi māṇavakehi saddhiṁ ahosi kathāsallāpo”ti."}},{"id":"sn35.132:12","sourceIds":["sn35.132:12.1","sn35.132:12.2","sn35.132:12.3","sn35.132:12.4","sn35.132:12.5","sn35.132:12.6","sn35.132:12.7","sn35.132:12.8","sn35.132:12.9","sn35.132:12.10","sn35.132:12.11","sn35.132:12.12","sn35.132:12.13"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“‘Aguttadvāro’ti bhavaṁ kaccāno āha.\nKittāvatā nu kho, bho kaccāna, aguttadvāro hotī”ti?\n“Idha, brāhmaṇa, ekacco cakkhunā rūpaṁ disvā piyarūpe rūpe adhimuccati, appiyarūpe rūpe byāpajjati, anupaṭṭhitakāyassati ca viharati, parittacetaso\ntañca cetovimuttiṁ paññāvimuttiṁ yathābhūtaṁ nappajānāti yatthassa te uppannā pāpakā akusalā dhammā aparisesā nirujjhanti.\nSotena saddaṁ sutvā …\nghānena gandhaṁ ghāyitvā …\njivhāya rasaṁ sāyitvā …\nkāyena phoṭṭhabbaṁ phusitvā …\nmanasā dhammaṁ viññāya piyarūpe dhamme adhimuccati, appiyarūpe ca dhamme byāpajjati, anupaṭṭhitakāyassati ca viharati, parittacetaso\ntañca cetovimuttiṁ paññāvimuttiṁ yathābhūtaṁ nappajānāti yatthassa te uppannā pāpakā akusalā dhammā aparisesā nirujjhanti.\nEvaṁ kho, brāhmaṇa, aguttadvāro hotī”ti.\n“Acchariyaṁ, bho kaccāna, abbhutaṁ, bho kaccāna.\nYāvañcidaṁ bhotā kaccānena aguttadvārova samāno aguttadvāroti akkhāto.","en":"“Worthy Kaccāna spoke of someone who doesn’t guard the sense doors.\nHow do you define someone who doesn’t guard the sense doors?”\n“Brahmin, take someone who sees a sight with their eyes. If it’s pleasant they hold on to it, but if it’s unpleasant they dislike it. They live with mindfulness of the body unestablished and their heart stunted.\nAnd they don’t truly understand the freedom of heart and freedom by wisdom where those arisen bad, unskillful qualities cease without remainder.\nWhen they hear a sound with their ears …\nWhen they smell an odor with their nose …\nWhen they taste a flavor with their tongue …\nWhen they feel a touch with their body …\nWhen they know an idea with their mind, if it’s pleasant they hold on to it, but if it’s unpleasant they dislike it. They live with mindfulness of the body unestablished and their heart stunted.\nAnd they don’t truly understand the freedom of heart and freedom by wisdom where those arisen bad, unskillful qualities cease without remainder.\nThat’s how someone doesn’t guard the sense doors.”\n“It’s incredible, worthy Kaccāna, it’s amazing!\nHow accurately you’ve explained someone whose sense doors are unguarded!"}},{"id":"sn35.132:13","sourceIds":["sn35.132:13.1","sn35.132:13.2","sn35.132:13.3","sn35.132:13.4","sn35.132:13.5","sn35.132:13.6","sn35.132:13.7","sn35.132:13.8","sn35.132:13.9","sn35.132:13.10","sn35.132:13.11"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"‘Guttadvāro’ti bhavaṁ kaccāno āha.\nKittāvatā nu kho, bho kaccāna, guttadvāro hotī”ti?\n“Idha, brāhmaṇa, bhikkhu cakkhunā rūpaṁ disvā piyarūpe rūpe nādhimuccati, appiyarūpe rūpe na byāpajjati, upaṭṭhitakāyassati ca viharati, appamāṇacetaso\ntañca cetovimuttiṁ paññāvimuttiṁ yathābhūtaṁ pajānāti yatthassa te uppannā pāpakā akusalā dhammā aparisesā nirujjhanti.\nSotena saddaṁ sutvā …\nghānena gandhaṁ ghāyitvā …\njivhāya rasaṁ sāyitvā …\nkāyena phoṭṭhabbaṁ phusitvā …\nmanasā dhammaṁ viññāya piyarūpe dhamme nādhimuccati, appiyarūpe dhamme na byāpajjati, upaṭṭhitakāyassati ca viharati, appamāṇacetaso\ntañca cetovimuttiṁ paññāvimuttiṁ yathābhūtaṁ pajānāti, yatthassa te uppannā pāpakā akusalā dhammā aparisesā nirujjhanti.\nEvaṁ kho, brāhmaṇa, guttadvāro hotī”ti.","en":"You also spoke of someone who does guard the sense doors.\nHow do you define someone who does guard the sense doors?”\n“Brahmin, take a mendicant who sees a sight with their eyes. If it’s pleasant they don’t hold on to it, and if it’s unpleasant they don’t dislike it. They live with mindfulness of the body established and a limitless heart.\nAnd they truly understand the freedom of heart and freedom by wisdom where those arisen bad, unskillful qualities cease without remainder.\nWhen they hear a sound with their ears …\nWhen they smell an odor with their nose …\nWhen they taste a flavor with their tongue …\nWhen they feel a touch with their body …\nWhen they know an idea with their mind, if it’s pleasant they don’t hold on to it, and if it’s unpleasant they don’t dislike it. They live with mindfulness of the body established and a limitless heart.\nAnd they truly understand the freedom of heart and freedom by wisdom where those arisen bad, unskillful qualities cease without remainder.\nThat’s how someone guards the sense doors.”"}},{"id":"sn35.132:14","sourceIds":["sn35.132:14.1","sn35.132:14.2","sn35.132:14.3","sn35.132:14.4","sn35.132:14.5","sn35.132:14.6","sn35.132:14.7","sn35.132:14.8","sn35.132:14.9"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Acchariyaṁ, bho kaccāna, abbhutaṁ, bho kaccāna.\nYāvañcidaṁ bhotā kaccānena guttadvārova samāno guttadvāroti akkhāto.\nAbhikkantaṁ, bho kaccāna; abhikkantaṁ, bho kaccāna.\nSeyyathāpi, bho kaccāna, nikkujjitaṁ vā ukkujjeyya, paṭicchannaṁ vā vivareyya, mūḷhassa vā maggaṁ ācikkheyya, andhakāre vā telapajjotaṁ dhāreyya: ‘cakkhumanto rūpāni dakkhantī’ti; evamevaṁ bhotā kaccānena anekapariyāyena dhammo pakāsito.\nEsāhaṁ, bho kaccāna, taṁ bhagavantaṁ saraṇaṁ gacchāmi, dhammañca, bhikkhusaṅghañca.\nUpāsakaṁ maṁ bhavaṁ kaccāno dhāretu ajjatagge pāṇupetaṁ saraṇaṁ gataṁ.\nYathā ca bhavaṁ kaccāno makkarakate upāsakakulāni upasaṅkamati; evameva lohiccakulaṁ upasaṅkamatu.\nTattha ye māṇavakā vā māṇavikā vā bhavantaṁ kaccānaṁ abhivādessanti paccuṭṭhissanti āsanaṁ vā udakaṁ vā dassanti, tesaṁ taṁ bhavissati dīgharattaṁ hitāya sukhāyā”ti.\nNavamaṁ.","en":"“It’s incredible, worthy Kaccāna, it’s amazing!\nHow accurately you’ve explained someone whose sense doors are guarded!\nExcellent, worthy Kaccāna! Excellent!\nAs if he were righting the overturned, or revealing the hidden, or pointing out the path to the lost, or lighting a lamp in the dark so people with clear eyes can see what’s there, the worthy Kaccāna has made the teaching clear in many ways.\nI go for refuge to the Buddha, to the teaching, and to the mendicant Saṅgha.\nFrom this day forth, may the worthy Kaccāna remember me as a lay follower who has gone for refuge for life.\nPlease come to my family just as you go to the families of the lay followers in Makkarakaṭa.\nThe brahmin boys and girls there will bow to you, rise in your presence, and give you a seat and water. That will be for their lasting welfare and happiness.”"}}]}],"sourceRevision":"afdafa92450cfe7573b280da50382888323666d2","sourceUrl":"https://suttacentral.net/sn35.132/en/sujato","licence":"CC0 1.0","licenceUrl":"https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/","editionNote":"Full supplied source file; inherited abbreviations are preserved. Not a reconstructed expansion of every repetition. No Malay or Mandarin translation is implied."}