{"id":"sn56.40","title":"Looking For a Debate","languageCodes":["en","pi"],"languageNotes":{"en":"Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0","pi":"Mahāsaṅgīti edition · SuttaCentral"},"chapters":[{"id":"sn56.40","title":"Looking For a Debate","units":[{"id":"sn56.40:0","sourceIds":["sn56.40:0.1","sn56.40:0.2","sn56.40:0.3"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Saṁyutta Nikāya 56.40\n4. Sīsapāvanavagga\nVādatthikasutta","en":"Linked Discourses 56.40\n4. In a Rosewood Forest\nLooking For a Debate"}},{"id":"sn56.40:1","sourceIds":["sn56.40:1.1","sn56.40:1.2","sn56.40:1.3","sn56.40:1.4","sn56.40:1.5","sn56.40:1.6","sn56.40:1.7"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Yo hi koci, bhikkhave, bhikkhu ‘idaṁ dukkhan’ti yathābhūtaṁ pajānāti …pe…\n‘ayaṁ dukkhanirodhagāminī paṭipadā’ti yathābhūtaṁ pajānāti, puratthimāya cepi disāya āgaccheyya samaṇo vā brāhmaṇo vā vādatthiko vādagavesī:\n‘vādamassa āropessāmī’ti, taṁ vata sahadhammena saṅkampessati vā sampakampessati vā sampacālessati vāti—netaṁ ṭhānaṁ vijjati.\nPacchimāya cepi disāya …pe…\nuttarāya cepi disāya …pe…\ndakkhiṇāya cepi disāya āgaccheyya samaṇo vā brāhmaṇo vā vādatthiko vādagavesī:\n‘vādamassa āropessāmī’ti, taṁ vata sahadhammena saṅkampessati vā sampakampessati vā sampacālessati vāti—netaṁ ṭhānaṁ vijjati.","en":"“Mendicants, take any mendicant who truly understands: ‘This is suffering’ … ‘This is the origin of suffering’ … ‘This is the cessation of suffering’ … ‘This is the practice that leads to the cessation of suffering’.\nAn ascetic or brahmin might come from the east, west, north, or south wanting to debate, seeking a debate, thinking:\n‘I’ll refute their doctrine!’ It’s simply impossible for them to legitimately make that mendicant shake or rock or tremble."}},{"id":"sn56.40:2","sourceIds":["sn56.40:2.1","sn56.40:2.2","sn56.40:2.3","sn56.40:2.4","sn56.40:2.5","sn56.40:2.6","sn56.40:2.7","sn56.40:2.8","sn56.40:2.9","sn56.40:2.10","sn56.40:2.11","sn56.40:2.12","sn56.40:2.13","sn56.40:2.14"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Seyyathāpi, bhikkhave, silāyūpo soḷasa kukkuko.\nTassassu aṭṭha kukku heṭṭhā nemaṅgamā, aṭṭha kukku uparinemassa.\nPuratthimāya cepi disāya āgaccheyya bhusā vātavuṭṭhi, neva saṅkampeyya na sampakampeyya na sampacāleyya; pacchimāya cepi disāya …pe… uttarāya cepi disāya …pe… dakkhiṇāya cepi disāya āgaccheyya bhusā vātavuṭṭhi, neva saṅkampeyya na sampakampeyya na sampacāleyya.\nTaṁ kissa hetu?\nGambhīrattā, bhikkhave, nemassa sunikhātattā silāyūpassa.\nEvameva kho, bhikkhave, yo hi koci bhikkhu ‘idaṁ dukkhan’ti yathābhūtaṁ pajānāti …pe… ‘ayaṁ dukkhanirodhagāminī paṭipadā’ti yathābhūtaṁ pajānāti;\npuratthimāya cepi disāya āgaccheyya samaṇo vā brāhmaṇo vā vādatthiko vādagavesī ‘vādamassa āropessāmī’ti, taṁ vata sahadhammena saṅkampessati vā sampakampessati vā sampacālessati vāti—netaṁ ṭhānaṁ vijjati.\nPacchimāya cepi disāya …pe…\nuttarāya cepi disāya …pe…\ndakkhiṇāya cepi disāya āgaccheyya samaṇo vā brāhmaṇo vā vādatthiko vādagavesī: ‘vādamassa āropessāmī’ti, taṁ vata sahadhammena saṅkampessati vā sampakampessati vā sampacālessati vāti—netaṁ ṭhānaṁ vijjati.\nTaṁ kissa hetu?\nSudiṭṭhattā, bhikkhave, catunnaṁ ariyasaccānaṁ.\nKatamesaṁ catunnaṁ?\nDukkhassa ariyasaccassa …pe… dukkhanirodhagāminiyā paṭipadāya ariyasaccassa.","en":"Suppose there was a stone post, sixteen feet long.\nEight feet were buried underground, and eight above ground.\nEven if violent storms were to blow up out of the east, the west, the north, and the south, they couldn’t make it shake or rock or tremble.\nWhy is that?\nIt’s because that stone post is firmly embedded, with deep foundations.\nIn the same way, take any mendicant who truly understands: ‘This is suffering’ … ‘This is the origin of suffering’ … ‘This is the cessation of suffering’ … ‘This is the practice that leads to the cessation of suffering’.\nAn ascetic or brahmin might come from the east, west, north, or south wanting to debate, seeking a debate, thinking: ‘I’ll refute their doctrine!’ It’s simply impossible for them to legitimately make that mendicant shake or rock or tremble.\nWhy is that?\nIt’s because they have clearly seen the four noble truths.\nWhat four?\nThe noble truths of suffering, its origin, its cessation, and the path."}},{"id":"sn56.40:3","sourceIds":["sn56.40:3.1","sn56.40:3.2","sn56.40:3.3"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Tasmātiha, bhikkhave, ‘idaṁ dukkhan’ti yogo karaṇīyo …pe… ‘ayaṁ dukkhanirodhagāminī paṭipadā’ti yogo karaṇīyo”ti.\nDasamaṁ.\nSīsapāvanavaggo catuttho.","en":"That’s why you should practice meditation …”"}},{"id":"sn56.40:4","sourceIds":["sn56.40:4.0","sn56.40:4.1","sn56.40:4.2","sn56.40:4.3","sn56.40:4.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Tassuddānaṁ\nSīsapā khadiro daṇḍo,\ncelā sattisatena ca;\nPāṇā sūriyūpamā dvedhā,\nindakhīlo ca vādinoti."}}]}],"sourceRevision":"afdafa92450cfe7573b280da50382888323666d2","sourceUrl":"https://suttacentral.net/sn56.40/en/sujato","licence":"CC0 1.0","licenceUrl":"https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/","editionNote":"Full supplied source file; inherited abbreviations are preserved. Not a reconstructed expansion of every repetition. No Malay or Mandarin translation is implied."}