{"id":"snp4.13","title":"The Longer Discourse on Arrayed for Battle","languageCodes":["en","pi"],"languageNotes":{"en":"Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0","pi":"Mahāsaṅgīti edition · SuttaCentral"},"chapters":[{"id":"snp4.13","title":"The Longer Discourse on Arrayed for Battle","units":[{"id":"snp4.13:0","sourceIds":["snp4.13:0.1","snp4.13:0.2"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Sutta Nipāta 4.13\nMahābyūhasutta","en":"Anthology of Discourses 4.13\nThe Longer Discourse on Arrayed for Battle"}},{"id":"snp4.13:1","sourceIds":["snp4.13:1.1","snp4.13:1.2","snp4.13:1.3","snp4.13:1.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Ye kecime diṭṭhiparibbasānā,\nIdameva saccanti vivādayanti;\nSabbeva te nindamanvānayanti,\nAtho pasaṁsampi labhanti tattha”.","en":"“Regarding those who maintain their own view,\ndisputing that, ‘This is the only truth’:\nare all of them subject only to criticism,\nor do some also win praise for that?”"}},{"id":"snp4.13:2","sourceIds":["snp4.13:2.1","snp4.13:2.2","snp4.13:2.3","snp4.13:2.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Appañhi etaṁ na alaṁ samāya,\nDuve vivādassa phalāni brūmi;\nEtampi disvā na vivādayetha,\nKhemābhipassaṁ avivādabhūmiṁ”.","en":"“That is a small thing, insufficient for peace,\nthese two fruits of dispute, I say.\nSeeing this, one ought not dispute,\nlooking for sanctuary in the land of no dispute."}},{"id":"snp4.13:3","sourceIds":["snp4.13:3.1","snp4.13:3.2","snp4.13:3.3","snp4.13:3.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Yā kācimā sammutiyo puthujjā,\nSabbāva etā na upeti vidvā;\nAnūpayo so upayaṁ kimeyya,\nDiṭṭhe sute khantimakubbamāno”.","en":"One who knows does not get involved\nwith any of the many different conventions.\nWhy would the uninvolved get involved,\nsince they do not believe based on the seen or the heard?"}},{"id":"snp4.13:4","sourceIds":["snp4.13:4.1","snp4.13:4.2","snp4.13:4.3","snp4.13:4.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Sīluttamā saññamenāhu suddhiṁ,\nVataṁ samādāya upaṭṭhitāse;\nIdheva sikkhema athassa suddhiṁ,\nBhavūpanītā kusalāvadānā.","en":"Those for whom ethics are the highest speak of purity through self-control;\nhaving undertaken a vow, they stick to it:\n‘Let us train right here, then we will be pure.’\nProfessing to be experts, they are led on to future lives."}},{"id":"snp4.13:5","sourceIds":["snp4.13:5.1","snp4.13:5.2","snp4.13:5.3","snp4.13:5.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Sace cuto sīlavatato hoti,\nPavedhatī kamma virādhayitvā;\nPajappatī patthayatī ca suddhiṁ,\nSatthāva hīno pavasaṁ gharamhā.","en":"If they fall away from their precepts and vows,\nthey tremble, having failed in their task.\nThey pray and long for purity,\nlike one who has lost their caravan while journeying far from home."}},{"id":"snp4.13:6","sourceIds":["snp4.13:6.1","snp4.13:6.2","snp4.13:6.3","snp4.13:6.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Sīlabbataṁ vāpi pahāya sabbaṁ,\nKammañca sāvajjanavajjametaṁ;\nSuddhiṁ asuddhinti apatthayāno,\nVirato care santimanuggahāya.","en":"But having given up all precepts and vows,\nand these deeds blameworthy or blameless;\nnot longing for ‘purity’ or ‘impurity’,\nlive detached, fostering peace."}},{"id":"snp4.13:7","sourceIds":["snp4.13:7.1","snp4.13:7.2","snp4.13:7.3","snp4.13:7.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Tamūpanissāya jigucchitaṁ vā,\nAtha vāpi diṭṭhaṁ va sutaṁ mutaṁ vā;\nUddhaṁsarā suddhimanutthunanti,\nAvītataṇhāse bhavābhavesu.","en":"Relying on mortification in disgust of sin,\nor else on what is seen, heard, or thought,\nthey moan that purification comes through heading upstream,\nnot rid of craving for life after life."}},{"id":"snp4.13:8","sourceIds":["snp4.13:8.1","snp4.13:8.2","snp4.13:8.3","snp4.13:8.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Patthayamānassa hi jappitāni,\nPavedhitaṁ vāpi pakappitesu;\nCutūpapāto idha yassa natthi,\nSa kena vedheyya kuhiṁ va jappe”.","en":"For one who longs there are muttered prayers,\nand trembling too over ideas they have formed.\nBut one here for whom there is no passing away or reappearing:\nwhy would they tremble? For what would they pray?”"}},{"id":"snp4.13:9","sourceIds":["snp4.13:9.1","snp4.13:9.2","snp4.13:9.3","snp4.13:9.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Yamāhu dhammaṁ paramanti eke,\nTameva hīnanti panāhu aññe;\nSacco nu vādo katamo imesaṁ,\nSabbeva hīme kusalāvadānā”.","en":"“The very same teaching that some say is ‘ultimate’,\nothers say is inferior.\nWhich of these statements is true,\nfor all of them profess to be experts?”"}},{"id":"snp4.13:10","sourceIds":["snp4.13:10.1","snp4.13:10.2","snp4.13:10.3","snp4.13:10.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Sakañhi dhammaṁ paripuṇṇamāhu,\nAññassa dhammaṁ pana hīnamāhu;\nEvampi viggayha vivādayanti,\nSakaṁ sakaṁ sammutimāhu saccaṁ.","en":"“They say their own teaching is perfect,\nwhile the teaching of others is inferior.\nSo arguing, they dispute,\neach saying their own conventions are the truth."}},{"id":"snp4.13:11","sourceIds":["snp4.13:11.1","snp4.13:11.2","snp4.13:11.3","snp4.13:11.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Parassa ce vambhayitena hīno,\nNa koci dhammesu visesi assa;\nPuthū hi aññassa vadanti dhammaṁ,\nNihīnato samhi daḷhaṁ vadānā.","en":"If someone else’s disparagement makes you inferior,\nno one in any teaching would be distinguished.\nFor each of them says the other’s teaching is lacking,\nwhile forcefully advocating their own."}},{"id":"snp4.13:12","sourceIds":["snp4.13:12.1","snp4.13:12.2","snp4.13:12.3","snp4.13:12.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Saddhammapūjāpi nesaṁ tatheva,\nYathā pasaṁsanti sakāyanāni;\nSabbeva vādā tathiyā bhaveyyuṁ,\nSuddhī hi nesaṁ paccattameva.","en":"But if they honor their own teachings\njust as they praise their own journeys,\nthen all doctrines would be equally valid,\nand purity would be specific to them."}},{"id":"snp4.13:13","sourceIds":["snp4.13:13.1","snp4.13:13.2","snp4.13:13.3","snp4.13:13.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Na brāhmaṇassa paraneyyamatthi,\nDhammesu niccheyya samuggahītaṁ;\nTasmā vivādāni upātivatto,\nNa hi seṭṭhato passati dhammamaññaṁ.","en":"After judging among the teachings, a brahmin has adopted nothing\nthat requires interpretation by another.\nThat’s why they’ve gotten over disputes,\nfor they see no other doctrine as best."}},{"id":"snp4.13:14","sourceIds":["snp4.13:14.1","snp4.13:14.2","snp4.13:14.3","snp4.13:14.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Jānāmi passāmi tatheva etaṁ,\nDiṭṭhiyā eke paccenti suddhiṁ;\nAddakkhi ce kiñhi tumassa tena,\nAtisitvā aññena vadanti suddhiṁ.","en":"Saying, ‘I know, I see, that’s how it is’,\nsome believe that purity stems from view.\nBut if they’ve really seen, what use is that view to them?\nOverlooking what matters, they say purity comes from another."}},{"id":"snp4.13:15","sourceIds":["snp4.13:15.1","snp4.13:15.2","snp4.13:15.3","snp4.13:15.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Passaṁ naro dakkhati nāmarūpaṁ,\nDisvāna vā ñassati tānimeva;\nKāmaṁ bahuṁ passatu appakaṁ vā,\nNa hi tena suddhiṁ kusalā vadanti.","en":"When a person sees, they see name and form,\nand having seen, they will know just these things.\nGladly let them see much or little,\nfor those who are skilled say this is no way to purity."}},{"id":"snp4.13:16","sourceIds":["snp4.13:16.1","snp4.13:16.2","snp4.13:16.3","snp4.13:16.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Nivissavādī na hi subbināyo,\nPakappitaṁ diṭṭhi purakkharāno;\nYaṁ nissito tattha subhaṁ vadāno,\nSuddhiṁ vado tattha tathaddasā so.","en":"It’s not easy to educate someone who is dogmatic,\npromoting a view they have formulated.\nSpeaking of the beauty in that on which they depend,\nthey talk of purity in accord with what they saw there."}},{"id":"snp4.13:17","sourceIds":["snp4.13:17.1","snp4.13:17.2","snp4.13:17.3","snp4.13:17.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Na brāhmaṇo kappamupeti saṅkhā,\nNa diṭṭhisārī napi ñāṇabandhu;\nÑatvā ca so sammutiyo puthujjā,\nUpekkhatī uggahaṇanti maññe.","en":"The brahmin does not get involved with formulating and calculating;\nthey’re not followers of views, nor kinsmen of notions.\nHaving understood the many different conventions,\nthey look on when others grasp."}},{"id":"snp4.13:18","sourceIds":["snp4.13:18.1","snp4.13:18.2","snp4.13:18.3","snp4.13:18.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Vissajja ganthāni munīdha loke,\nVivādajātesu na vaggasārī;\nSanto asantesu upekkhako so,\nAnuggaho uggahaṇanti maññe.","en":"Having untied the knots here in the world,\nthe sage takes no side among disputes.\nPeaceful among the peaceless, equanimous,\nthey don’t grasp when others grasp."}},{"id":"snp4.13:19","sourceIds":["snp4.13:19.1","snp4.13:19.2","snp4.13:19.3","snp4.13:19.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Pubbāsave hitvā nave akubbaṁ,\nNa chandagū nopi nivissavādī;\nSa vippamutto diṭṭhigatehi dhīro,\nNa lippati loke anattagarahī.","en":"Having given up former defilements and not making new ones,\nnot swayed by preference, nor a proponent of dogma,\nthat attentive one is released from views,\nnot clinging to the world, nor reproaching themselves."}},{"id":"snp4.13:20","sourceIds":["snp4.13:20.1","snp4.13:20.2","snp4.13:20.3","snp4.13:20.4","snp4.13:20.5"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Sa sabbadhammesu visenibhūto,\nYaṁ kiñci diṭṭhaṁ va sutaṁ mutaṁ vā;\nSa pannabhāro muni vippamutto,\nNa kappiyo nūparato na patthiyo”ti.\nMahābyūhasuttaṁ terasamaṁ.","en":"They are remote from all things\nseen, heard, or thought.\nWith burden put down, the sage is released:\nnot formulating, not abstaining, not longing.”"}}]}],"sourceRevision":"afdafa92450cfe7573b280da50382888323666d2","sourceUrl":"https://suttacentral.net/snp4.13/en/sujato","licence":"CC0 1.0","licenceUrl":"https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/","editionNote":"Full supplied source file; inherited abbreviations are preserved. Not a reconstructed expansion of every repetition. No Malay or Mandarin translation is implied."}