{"id":"snp4.9","title":"With Māgaṇḍiya","languageCodes":["en","pi"],"languageNotes":{"en":"Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0","pi":"Mahāsaṅgīti edition · SuttaCentral"},"chapters":[{"id":"snp4.9","title":"With Māgaṇḍiya","units":[{"id":"snp4.9:0","sourceIds":["snp4.9:0.1","snp4.9:0.2"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Sutta Nipāta 4.9\nMāgaṇḍiyasutta","en":"Anthology of Discourses 4.9\nWith Māgaṇḍiya"}},{"id":"snp4.9:1","sourceIds":["snp4.9:1.1","snp4.9:1.2","snp4.9:1.3","snp4.9:1.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Disvāna taṇhaṁ aratiṁ ragañca,\nNāhosi chando api methunasmiṁ;\nKimevidaṁ muttakarīsapuṇṇaṁ,\nPādāpi naṁ samphusituṁ na icche”.","en":"“Even when I saw the sirens Craving, Malignancy, and Lust,\nI had no desire for sex.\nWhat is this body full of piss and shit?\nI wouldn’t even want to touch it with my foot.”"}},{"id":"snp4.9:2","sourceIds":["snp4.9:2.1","snp4.9:2.2","snp4.9:2.3","snp4.9:2.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Etādisañce ratanaṁ na icchasi,\nNāriṁ narindehi bahūhi patthitaṁ;\nDiṭṭhigataṁ sīlavataṁ nu jīvitaṁ,\nBhavūpapattiñca vadesi kīdisaṁ”.","en":"“If you do not want a gem such as this,\na lady desired by many lords of men,\nthen what manner of theory, precepts and vows, livelihood,\nand rebirth in a new life do you assert?”"}},{"id":"snp4.9:3","sourceIds":["snp4.9:3.1","snp4.9:3.2","snp4.9:3.3","snp4.9:3.4","snp4.9:3.5"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Idaṁ vadāmīti na tassa hoti,\n(māgaṇḍiyāti bhagavā)\nDhammesu niccheyya samuggahītaṁ;\nPassañca diṭṭhīsu anuggahāya,\nAjjhattasantiṁ pacinaṁ adassaṁ”.","en":"“After judging among the teachings,”\nsaid the Buddha to Māgaṇḍiya,\n“none have been adopted thinking, ‘I assert this.’\nSeeing views without adopting any,\nsearching, I saw inner peace.”"}},{"id":"snp4.9:4","sourceIds":["snp4.9:4.1","snp4.9:4.2","snp4.9:4.3","snp4.9:4.4","snp4.9:4.5"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Vinicchayā yāni pakappitāni,\n(iti māgaṇḍiyo)\nTe ve munī brūsi anuggahāya;\nAjjhattasantīti yametamatthaṁ,\nKathaṁ nu dhīrehi paveditaṁ taṁ”.","en":"“O sage, you speak of judgments you have formed,”\nsaid Māgaṇḍiya,\n“without having adopted any of those views.\nAs to that matter of ‘inner peace’—\nhow is that described by the attentive?”"}},{"id":"snp4.9:5","sourceIds":["snp4.9:5.1","snp4.9:5.2","snp4.9:5.3","snp4.9:5.4","snp4.9:5.5","snp4.9:5.6","snp4.9:5.7"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Na diṭṭhiyā na sutiyā na ñāṇena,\n(māgaṇḍiyāti bhagavā)\nSīlabbatenāpi na suddhimāha;\nAdiṭṭhiyā assutiyā añāṇā,\nAsīlatā abbatā nopi tena;\nEte ca nissajja anuggahāya,\nSanto anissāya bhavaṁ na jappe”.","en":"“Purity is spoken of not as due to view,”\nsaid the Buddha to Māgaṇḍiya,\n“learning, knowledge, or precepts and vows;\nnor without view, learning,\nknowledge, or precepts and vows.\nHaving relinquished these, not adopting them,\npeaceful, independent, one would not pray for another life.”"}},{"id":"snp4.9:6","sourceIds":["snp4.9:6.1","snp4.9:6.2","snp4.9:6.3","snp4.9:6.4","snp4.9:6.5","snp4.9:6.6","snp4.9:6.7"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“No ce kira diṭṭhiyā na sutiyā na ñāṇena,\n(iti māgaṇḍiyo)\nSīlabbatenāpi na suddhimāha;\nAdiṭṭhiyā assutiyā añāṇā,\nAsīlatā abbatā nopi tena;\nMaññāmahaṁ momuhameva dhammaṁ,\nDiṭṭhiyā eke paccenti suddhiṁ”.","en":"“It seems purity is spoken of not as due to view,”\nsaid Māgaṇḍiya,\n“learning, knowledge, or precepts and vows;\nnor without view, learning,\nknowledge, or precepts and vows.\nIf so, I think this teaching is sheer folly;\nsome believe that purity comes from view.”"}},{"id":"snp4.9:7","sourceIds":["snp4.9:7.1","snp4.9:7.2","snp4.9:7.3","snp4.9:7.4","snp4.9:7.5"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Diṭṭhañca nissāya anupucchamāno,\n(māgaṇḍiyāti bhagavā)\nSamuggahītesu pamohamāgā;\nIto ca nāddakkhi aṇumpi saññaṁ,\nTasmā tuvaṁ momuhato dahāsi.","en":"“Continuing to question while relying on a view,”\nsaid the Buddha to Māgaṇḍiya,\n“you’ve become confused by all you’ve adopted.\nFrom this you’ve not glimpsed the slightest idea,\nwhich is why you consider the teaching folly."}},{"id":"snp4.9:8","sourceIds":["snp4.9:8.1","snp4.9:8.2","snp4.9:8.3","snp4.9:8.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Samo visesī uda vā nihīno,\nYo maññati so vivadetha tena;\nTīsu vidhāsu avikampamāno,\nSamo visesīti na tassa hoti.","en":"If you think that ‘I’m equal,\nspecial, or worse’, you’ll dispute about that.\nNot wavering due to the three discriminations,\nthey have no thought, ‘I’m equal or special’."}},{"id":"snp4.9:9","sourceIds":["snp4.9:9.1","snp4.9:9.2","snp4.9:9.3","snp4.9:9.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Saccanti so brāhmaṇo kiṁ vadeyya,\nMusāti vā so vivadetha kena;\nYasmiṁ samaṁ visamaṁ vāpi natthi,\nSa kena vādaṁ paṭisaṁyujeyya.","en":"Why would that brahmin say, ‘It’s true’,\nor with whom would they dispute, ‘It’s false’?\nThere is no equal or unequal in them,\nso who would they take on in debate?"}},{"id":"snp4.9:10","sourceIds":["snp4.9:10.1","snp4.9:10.2","snp4.9:10.3","snp4.9:10.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Okaṁ pahāya aniketasārī,\nGāme akubbaṁ muni santhavāni;\nKāmehi ritto apurakkharāno,\nKathaṁ na viggayha janena kayirā.","en":"After leaving their bastion to migrate without abode,\na sage doesn’t get close to anyone in town.\nRid of sensual pleasures, not expecting,\nthey wouldn’t get in arguments with people."}},{"id":"snp4.9:11","sourceIds":["snp4.9:11.1","snp4.9:11.2","snp4.9:11.3","snp4.9:11.4","snp4.9:11.5","snp4.9:11.6"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Yehi vivitto vicareyya loke,\nNa tāni uggayha vadeyya nāgo;\nJalambujaṁ kaṇḍakavārijaṁ yathā,\nJalena paṅkena canūpalittaṁ;\nEvaṁ munī santivādo agiddho,\nKāme ca loke ca anūpalitto.","en":"A spiritual giant would not take up for debate\nthe things in the world from which they live secluded.\nAs a prickly lotus born in the water\nis unsullied by water and mud,\nso the greedless sage, proponent of peace,\nis unsmeared by sensuality and the world."}},{"id":"snp4.9:12","sourceIds":["snp4.9:12.1","snp4.9:12.2","snp4.9:12.3","snp4.9:12.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Na vedagū diṭṭhiyāyako na mutiyā,\nSa mānameti na hi tammayo so;\nNa kammunā nopi sutena neyyo,\nAnūpanīto sa nivesanesu.","en":"A knowledge master does not become conceited\ndue to view or thought, for they are not determined by that.\nThey’ve no need for deeds or learning,\nthey’re not indoctrinated in dogmas."}},{"id":"snp4.9:13","sourceIds":["snp4.9:13.1","snp4.9:13.2","snp4.9:13.3","snp4.9:13.4","snp4.9:13.5"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Saññāvirattassa na santi ganthā,\nPaññāvimuttassa na santi mohā;\nSaññañca diṭṭhiñca ye aggahesuṁ,\nTe ghaṭṭayantā vicaranti loke”ti.\nMāgaṇḍiyasuttaṁ navamaṁ.","en":"There are no ties for one detached from ideas;\nthere are no delusions for one freed by wisdom.\nBut those who have adopted ideas and views\nwander the world causing conflict.”"}}]}],"sourceRevision":"afdafa92450cfe7573b280da50382888323666d2","sourceUrl":"https://suttacentral.net/snp4.9/en/sujato","licence":"CC0 1.0","licenceUrl":"https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/","editionNote":"Full supplied source file; inherited abbreviations are preserved. Not a reconstructed expansion of every repetition. No Malay or Mandarin translation is implied."}